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this is fade to black with your host

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jimmy church

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on the game changer radio network and

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kgra

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i need alliance help to get to the year

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you are listening to fate to black with

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bespoke radio for

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today's monday august 2nd 2021

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215 days into the new year only 150 days

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we're live from a bunker somewhere in

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a total undisclosed location but it is

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beautiful

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yeah man hanging out in the bunker today

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just incredible playing guitars

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yeah i would like to welcome everybody

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listening all around the world

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all across the united states

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hither and tether to and fro back and

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forth up and down

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east and west north and south far and

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this is fade to block for kjcr the game

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changer network and kg r

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a the planets i'm murals jimmy church

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what is cracking everybody how you doing

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i hope you had a great weekend

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i did got a lot done

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i did i got a lot done

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and i'm really looking forward to fade

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to black this week

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what a great lineup tonight whitley

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strieber joins us and i'm calling this

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a conversation about e.t

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that's what we're gonna do tonight with

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you know we're gonna go we're gonna go

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into uncharted waters tonight

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yeah excited about this tomorrow night

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right here on this very program first

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you've been waiting for this mark sims

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is here mark sims and

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we are going to tomorrow night um

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you know i know a lot of you know about

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mark's background but um

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he comes from the world of the internet

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software today he's firmly planted

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in the world of uh ufology and this

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all of that tomorrow night with the one

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and only mark sims that is tomorrow

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this too as well what a great week on

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peter robbins is back and uh what a

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with open lines all night long now

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i just posted this up in twitter

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night with mark sims but

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uh there is um an online conference

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uh insane what mark sims has got

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put together now my picture isn't up

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here and i know mark is listening right

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my picture will be up on this website

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jimmy save 100 and uh there you go

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let's uh let's get the show rolling

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along whitley strieber will be with us

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at the bottom of the hour man i just

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yeah follow me on twitter at j church

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radio the sandbox is hashtag f2b on

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are you ready chipmunks

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edward furlong today is 44.

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joel and turner today is 70.

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of les dudak from that very moment today

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a moment of silence please

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uh it's funny the youtube

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2015 died at the age of 76.

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the hills have eyes the original one

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tumor at his home in los angeles

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after his 76th birthday

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there you go on this day in history

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rich neighbor and by doing that

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iraq took control of like over 20

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percent of the world's oil reserves

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alan sokol a physicist

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and gibberish to a journal and it

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peer review and was published this is

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the sokol affair and more on that in

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that's right tonight whitley strieber

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for a conversation about e.t tomorrow

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night mark sims is here for the first

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wednesday night peter robbins is back

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and thursday night is another fader

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night with open lines all night long

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all right river moon

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that

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it's the very best it is indeed the very

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best

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let me change gears a little bit

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i was just talking about alan sokol

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and you need to this

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is a pretty cool rabbit hole but i'm

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going to give you most of it right now

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and uh just want you to listen to me for

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a second

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just want you to listen because the

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physicist

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alan sokol submitted

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this spoof article it was

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trans transgressing the boundaries

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towards transformative her uh

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hermann hermann nordics

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of quantum gravity to social text

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and quote that was the title and as

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crazy as all of this sounds

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i'm sure you are wondering about the

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actual text of the article

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right gibberish word salad

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nothingness so surprise surprise i

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actually have some of it right here

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seriously and uh sokol himself

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tried to convince everyone that it was a

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parody

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which did and didn't work

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now check this out remember

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this was peer reviewed and published

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quote there are many natural

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scientists and especially physicists

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who continue to reject the notion that

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the disciplines concerned with

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social and cultural criticism can have

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anything to contribute

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except perhaps peripherally

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i'm gonna tell you right now that is

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genius it's genius

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here's another gem quote selected

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directly from the paper

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quote still less are they receptive to

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the idea that the very foundations of

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their world

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view must be revised or rebuilt in the

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light

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god that is good

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it's it's just brilliant it's brilliant

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means nothing here's another one

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just stay with me are you ready quote

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rather they cling to the dogma

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imposed by the long post enlightenment

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over the western intellectual outlook

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which can be summarized briefly as

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follows

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that there exists an external world

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whose properties are independent of any

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individual

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human being and indeed of humanity as

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a whole that these properties are

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encoded in

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eternal physical laws and that human

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beings can obtain

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reliable albeit imperfect and tentative

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knowledge of these laws by healing to

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the objective

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procedures and strictures prescribed by

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the

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oh man it's

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so good now

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a lot happened because of this

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remember this was peer reviewed and this

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physicist was upset

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and he just wanted to see

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what would happen if he very cleverly

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wrote using scientific jargon

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and just words and just things and put

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it all together

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made sure that it meant absolutely

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nothing i want to see if it get

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published and then what would happen if

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it did

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now here is a full paragraph

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of the gibberish you got to enjoy this

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from top to bottom

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just listen to this i can't even say

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some of these words

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quote feminist and post-structuralist

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critiques have demystified the

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the substantive content of mainstream

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western scientific practice

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revealing the ideology of domination

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concealed behind the facade

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the facade of objectivity

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it has thus become increasingly apparent

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that physical reality

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no less than social reality is at

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bottom a social and linguistic construct

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that scientific knowledge far from being

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objective

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reflects and encodes the dominant

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ideologies

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and power relations of the culture that

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produced it

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that the truth claims of science are

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inherently

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theory-laden and self-referential and

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consequently

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that the discourse of the scientific

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community for all

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its undeniable value cannot assert a

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privileged status with respect to

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counter narratives

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emanating from the dissident or

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marginalized communities

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end quote

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just brilliant

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now why am i going on about adam sokol

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what's the big deal here you know his

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views were gibberish they literally

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meant nothing the criticism and debate

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about it though

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were huge huge

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the attacks the drama

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there'll always be someone out there to

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take their

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shots now

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what does all of this have to do with

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ufos

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well actually it's quite simple

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no matter no matter who i have on as a

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guest

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it doesn't matter from any angle

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i'll have my critics it's

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just the way that it is

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now you see sokol's paper caused

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big debate in scientific circles

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huge debate arguments

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when he revealed that it was just parody

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that wasn't good enough people

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read what they wanted to read

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and here's the deal i can do the same

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thing

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on this broadcast i could do a show that

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didn't say

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anything conclusive on the ufo subject

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and in fact

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i have said things in the past that were

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totally vanilla

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and and i did it on purpose

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just to watch someone lose their mind

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that's right and i have that ability to

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do so

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and in the end i'm still here

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right those critics

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there's a really great comedy out there

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it's a movie called

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real men starring jim belushi and john

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ritter

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and it's about ufos and et contact

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and i could repeat a quote from the film

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i could do it something like quote

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e.t has made an agreement with planet

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earth

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they will give us the secrets of the

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universe in exchange for

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a nice cold tall glass of water

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funny absolutely

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it's the pure definition of parody

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deliberate exaggeration for

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comic effect right

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in fact i could do a whole show

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on this i could

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and sure most of you would laugh you

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would get it

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but there will be the few out there who

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will debate this for a decade or two

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no matter what i say to defend the

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satire of it all

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i'm actually in danger of doing it right

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now think about it

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seriously i'm right there man i'm at the

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edge

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there's somebody out there right now

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jimmy church man is this

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this oh my god i

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oh man and this is the deal

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i just don't care you see

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no matter what in the end

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i'll still be here doing my thing

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just like adam sokol he didn't go away

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he kept teaching physics

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he kept doing his thing and the attack

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he had to he literally had to

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write a paper on the

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and even that didn't work people just

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it's crazy you see no matter what in the

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end i'll still be here doing my thing

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chasing the answers to all of life's

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questions

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and the critics well you've already

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yeah now about that secret agreement

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with

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it's hilarious it's absolutely hilarious

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and i i look back uh today

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today i was on a chris matthews show

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and uh forbidden knowledge and and he's

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great and chris

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i get chris um i've spoken about him

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before on the show but over at ufo

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megacon and chris and i have you know

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were in touch

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uh uh for a while before that but

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um but watching chris at ufo megacon

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now young he's fresh he's out there

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doing his thing doing these interviews

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and

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just every single day watching him run

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around

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and it was just awesome and and chris

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asked me

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a couple of questions today um

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uh that that got me to thinking

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and and it was this and

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and and it reminded me of adam sokol and

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this paper and i went and i pulled it up

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today and

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and i read it and it just got me to

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thinking

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i i and and his responses to it

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and that his reason i i don't care what

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people think

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if it's it's a freaking parody it means

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nothing

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and yet people will read what they want

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to read they will hear what they want to

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hear and then they want to attack me

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about something that was a parody

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and that in of itself is a statement

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of society and it was a great

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thought experiment it was really really

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well done

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and i have thought over the years i

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really have

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about what if i did oh

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wait wait wait wait before i'm out of

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time i actually did this

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what if i did a parody show what if i

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did a parachute just a parody show and

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then i admitted

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that it was satire and i did that with

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the area 51 caller

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i did brian glass brian jl glass

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brought him on the show did the area 51

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caller had him recreate it and we did it

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and everybody lost their friggin minds

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and were so upset and i literally

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after having uh brian on

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he laid it out how he did the original

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area 51 caller with art bell how it

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happened how it was an accident and how

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everything

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that he said

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every soapbox that he jumped on and

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yelled about

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to the skies to the stars nobody

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wanted to believe him they wanted to

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believe

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that the call was real it's incredible

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and so my thought of doing a parody show

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right a war of the worlds type broadcast

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you know it would be so much fun to do

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and it's this danger zone

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about going into that and it is a

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thought experiment

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it is a mind experiment it's a social

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experiment

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and i've decided not to do it i've

579
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decided not to do it

580
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even me mentioning this tonight puts me

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in the danger zone

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this is fade to black i am your host

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jimmy church tonight the one and only

584
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whitley strieber tonight is the

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conversation

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about e.t so you stay right there i'm

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your host jimmy church

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follow me on twitter at j church radio

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that's right on the game changer network

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and kgra

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the planet i'll be right back after this

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short break with our guest

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[Music]

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headed do you wonder about the food

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supply

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you can do today

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is to stockpile emergency food water

674
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and other essentials i personally

675
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recommend my

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for more than a decade

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in fact they're the only source my

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family trusts for our preparedness plan

682
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you should too right now save 20

683
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off a full four week supply of delicious

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meals that provide

685
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two thousand calories a day saving

686
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twenty percent helps too

687
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doesn't it especially now so go to

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prepare with jimmy.com and get ready

689
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that's prepare with jimmy.com there's no

690
00:34:25,589 --> 00:34:22,399
time to lose

691
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nine out of ten geneticists agree

692
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fade to black is not

693
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your father's radio show on the game

694
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changer radio network

695
00:34:46,389 --> 00:34:44,320
and kgra the planet

696
00:34:50,950 --> 00:34:46,399
hi this is rob reiner from anvil and

697
00:34:53,270 --> 00:34:50,960
you're listening to jimmychurchradio.com

698
00:35:00,829 --> 00:34:53,280
what's up i'm chris what up this is kyle

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[Music]

700
00:35:15,990 --> 00:35:14,790
all right welcome back fade to black i

701
00:35:18,470 --> 00:35:16,000
am your host jimmy church what

702
00:35:19,990 --> 00:35:18,480
a great week we have coming up on fade

703
00:35:21,430 --> 00:35:20,000
to black tonight whitley strieber of

704
00:35:25,589 --> 00:35:21,440
course is here

705
00:35:27,670 --> 00:35:25,599
and uh tomorrow night mark sims is here

706
00:35:29,510 --> 00:35:27,680
and uh i noticed that mark has already

707
00:35:32,310 --> 00:35:29,520
been texting uh whitley and i

708
00:35:33,510 --> 00:35:32,320
in his excitement tonight mark sims is

709
00:35:35,589 --> 00:35:33,520
with us tomorrow night

710
00:35:36,790 --> 00:35:35,599
and then uh wednesday night it is a

711
00:35:38,470 --> 00:35:36,800
peter robbins

712
00:35:39,990 --> 00:35:38,480
uh he is back it's been a while since

713
00:35:41,430 --> 00:35:40,000
he's been on the show with us

714
00:35:43,109 --> 00:35:41,440
so we've got a great week and then of

715
00:35:43,990 --> 00:35:43,119
course thursday night is fader night

716
00:35:46,150 --> 00:35:44,000
with open lines

717
00:35:47,109 --> 00:35:46,160
all night long but tonight it's whitley

718
00:35:48,630 --> 00:35:47,119
and

719
00:35:50,470 --> 00:35:48,640
whitley is going to join us tonight for

720
00:35:52,470 --> 00:35:50,480
a very open and comprehensive

721
00:35:55,910 --> 00:35:52,480
conversation about e.t

722
00:35:58,310 --> 00:35:55,920
and we are going to discuss what really

723
00:35:59,430 --> 00:35:58,320
may be going on and i don't think

724
00:36:02,150 --> 00:35:59,440
anybody knows

725
00:36:03,670 --> 00:36:02,160
but this is a conversation that can only

726
00:36:04,230 --> 00:36:03,680
be had with whitley so we're gonna do

727
00:36:06,230 --> 00:36:04,240
that

728
00:36:09,030 --> 00:36:06,240
because whitley has changed our world

729
00:36:09,910 --> 00:36:09,040
view he's one of the iconic cultural

730
00:36:12,390 --> 00:36:09,920
figures of

731
00:36:13,750 --> 00:36:12,400
our time i've had the privilege to to

732
00:36:16,870 --> 00:36:13,760
hang out with whitley

733
00:36:17,990 --> 00:36:16,880
uh many times and break bread and and

734
00:36:19,750 --> 00:36:18,000
just talk

735
00:36:21,670 --> 00:36:19,760
we all know that he is the author of the

736
00:36:23,430 --> 00:36:21,680
communion series of books and

737
00:36:25,510 --> 00:36:23,440
another novels like the wolfen and the

738
00:36:26,630 --> 00:36:25,520
hunger to the grays and alien hunter

739
00:36:29,109 --> 00:36:26,640
series but

740
00:36:30,870 --> 00:36:29,119
communion and the wolfen and the hunger

741
00:36:31,990 --> 00:36:30,880
uh and superstorm have all been made

742
00:36:35,030 --> 00:36:32,000
into movies

743
00:36:35,510 --> 00:36:35,040
and superstorm of course is known as the

744
00:36:37,670 --> 00:36:35,520
day

745
00:36:39,790 --> 00:36:37,680
after tomorrow his websites are right

746
00:36:41,270 --> 00:36:39,800
there at jimmychurchradio.com

747
00:36:43,589 --> 00:36:41,280
unknowncountry.com

748
00:36:44,470 --> 00:36:43,599
and streamer.com and i would like to

749
00:36:45,829 --> 00:36:44,480
welcome back

750
00:36:47,430 --> 00:36:45,839
to fade to black the one and only

751
00:36:49,030 --> 00:36:47,440
whitley street whitley good evening

752
00:36:51,190 --> 00:36:49,040
young man how you doing

753
00:36:52,870 --> 00:36:51,200
well good evening good evening how are

754
00:36:54,390 --> 00:36:52,880
you it's good to see you jimmy

755
00:36:56,470 --> 00:36:54,400
you know what's you know what strange

756
00:36:57,510 --> 00:36:56,480
whitley and we've known each other for a

757
00:37:00,390 --> 00:36:57,520
long time

758
00:37:03,270 --> 00:37:00,400
but uh 2021 is shaping up to be the year

759
00:37:06,470 --> 00:37:03,280
of jimmy and whitley hanging out

760
00:37:06,790 --> 00:37:06,480
yeah we're fairly good at that both of

761
00:37:08,790 --> 00:37:06,800
us

762
00:37:10,230 --> 00:37:08,800
yeah i can hang out yeah and i like to

763
00:37:11,430 --> 00:37:10,240
hang out with people who like to hang

764
00:37:15,670 --> 00:37:11,440
out and know how to do it

765
00:37:19,030 --> 00:37:15,680
and and you fill both of those bills

766
00:37:22,470 --> 00:37:19,040
um and and aside from all of that

767
00:37:24,710 --> 00:37:22,480
we have uh two conferences uh coming up

768
00:37:25,990 --> 00:37:24,720
in front of us back to back we have uh

769
00:37:28,230 --> 00:37:26,000
mark sims

770
00:37:30,310 --> 00:37:28,240
uh making contact which is coming up in

771
00:37:32,230 --> 00:37:30,320
a couple of weeks august 18th

772
00:37:33,589 --> 00:37:32,240
uh through the 21st and then right after

773
00:37:36,790 --> 00:37:33,599
that we have uh

774
00:37:40,069 --> 00:37:36,800
conscious life expo the mini version

775
00:37:42,550 --> 00:37:40,079
at uh the lax hilton so uh pretty

776
00:37:45,750 --> 00:37:42,560
exciting actually going to be in the

777
00:37:51,270 --> 00:37:45,760
hilton physically marx is in this

778
00:37:52,790 --> 00:37:51,280
fascinating uh uh virtual space called

779
00:37:54,950 --> 00:37:52,800
the island

780
00:37:56,870 --> 00:37:54,960
where it's got you know you walk around

781
00:37:57,829 --> 00:37:56,880
you have an avatar and you walk around

782
00:38:00,310 --> 00:37:57,839
you go and sit

783
00:38:02,470 --> 00:38:00,320
it's very cool it'll be fascinating to

784
00:38:04,390 --> 00:38:02,480
be in that i've i've enjoyed

785
00:38:05,589 --> 00:38:04,400
doing the island when i've when i've

786
00:38:08,310 --> 00:38:05,599
when i have uh

787
00:38:09,109 --> 00:38:08,320
been been on it on programs yeah it's

788
00:38:12,870 --> 00:38:09,119
it's it's

789
00:38:15,510 --> 00:38:12,880
it's really really cool and i will be

790
00:38:18,310 --> 00:38:15,520
uh uh letting everybody know how to go

791
00:38:21,750 --> 00:38:18,320
and hang out how to create your avatar

792
00:38:24,230 --> 00:38:21,760
and and do all of that in advance of uh

793
00:38:24,790 --> 00:38:24,240
the conference but it's you it's chris

794
00:38:28,310 --> 00:38:24,800
mellon

795
00:38:28,950 --> 00:38:28,320
it's uh linda uh danny sheehan luella

796
00:38:31,589 --> 00:38:28,960
zondo

797
00:38:34,310 --> 00:38:31,599
and eric weinstein man we've got eric

798
00:38:36,630 --> 00:38:34,320
weinstein on tap how cool is that

799
00:38:38,390 --> 00:38:36,640
it's amazing you know i i i told was

800
00:38:40,230 --> 00:38:38,400
telling mark sims i think this is one of

801
00:38:43,030 --> 00:38:40,240
the strongest

802
00:38:44,790 --> 00:38:43,040
et related contact related panels ever

803
00:38:47,829 --> 00:38:44,800
assembled if not the strongest

804
00:38:48,630 --> 00:38:47,839
it's it's an incredible panel because i

805
00:38:52,150 --> 00:38:48,640
mean these are

806
00:38:55,109 --> 00:38:52,160
these are people with in-depth knowledge

807
00:38:56,870 --> 00:38:55,119
uh and you know i'm gonna say it's a

808
00:38:59,190 --> 00:38:56,880
physicist a serious

809
00:39:00,790 --> 00:38:59,200
very accomplished physicist and

810
00:39:04,230 --> 00:39:00,800
mathematician

811
00:39:07,030 --> 00:39:04,240
uh uh a former sec

812
00:39:08,870 --> 00:39:07,040
a member of the state department lou

813
00:39:10,390 --> 00:39:08,880
elizondo and you know it's it's

814
00:39:13,270 --> 00:39:10,400
important to realize

815
00:39:15,030 --> 00:39:13,280
people have a tendency to think of lou

816
00:39:17,670 --> 00:39:15,040
and chris as being

817
00:39:18,870 --> 00:39:17,680
sort of the government but they're not

818
00:39:21,910 --> 00:39:18,880
not at all

819
00:39:25,030 --> 00:39:21,920
that's exactly what they aren't they are

820
00:39:29,109 --> 00:39:25,040
trying to to

821
00:39:31,349 --> 00:39:29,119
extract from

822
00:39:33,030 --> 00:39:31,359
the secret world they're trying to pry

823
00:39:35,670 --> 00:39:33,040
it loose basically

824
00:39:38,470 --> 00:39:35,680
and they you know because of the people

825
00:39:41,990 --> 00:39:38,480
they are and the lives they've lived

826
00:39:44,710 --> 00:39:42,000
they have a pretty good

827
00:39:45,670 --> 00:39:44,720
lever pretty good crowbar to pry with

828
00:39:47,670 --> 00:39:45,680
which is

829
00:39:49,670 --> 00:39:47,680
unique it's never happened before like

830
00:39:51,349 --> 00:39:49,680
this not in the whole history

831
00:39:52,870 --> 00:39:51,359
of the ufo movement and there have been

832
00:39:55,589 --> 00:39:52,880
many other times

833
00:39:56,790 --> 00:39:55,599
not many but four or five other major

834
00:39:59,430 --> 00:39:56,800
times

835
00:40:01,190 --> 00:39:59,440
when it seemed like something would open

836
00:40:05,510 --> 00:40:01,200
up but it's

837
00:40:08,710 --> 00:40:05,520
right now there's a confluence between

838
00:40:10,470 --> 00:40:08,720
disclosure and contact and i find that

839
00:40:13,910 --> 00:40:10,480
very interesting that's

840
00:40:18,550 --> 00:40:13,920
another first the um uh

841
00:40:20,630 --> 00:40:18,560
the website is makingcontact.com

842
00:40:22,550 --> 00:40:20,640
and it's a very simple to get to i've

843
00:40:24,710 --> 00:40:22,560
got it up in social media and i want

844
00:40:26,230 --> 00:40:24,720
everybody to just go and click and and

845
00:40:28,550 --> 00:40:26,240
visit the site

846
00:40:29,990 --> 00:40:28,560
and uh the promo code jimmy save 100 you

847
00:40:33,270 --> 00:40:30,000
can go ahead and enter that too

848
00:40:35,190 --> 00:40:33,280
as well and and that is courtesy of mark

849
00:40:38,069 --> 00:40:35,200
sims i want to thank mark for that

850
00:40:39,430 --> 00:40:38,079
but uh it's a great website and all of

851
00:40:42,470 --> 00:40:39,440
the information that you need

852
00:40:45,829 --> 00:40:42,480
is right there and then right after that

853
00:40:47,990 --> 00:40:45,839
um is the conscious life expo and what

854
00:40:51,510 --> 00:40:48,000
is unique about this and this isn't

855
00:40:53,670 --> 00:40:51,520
uh you know some infomercial right now

856
00:40:56,069 --> 00:40:53,680
it's that these two very important

857
00:40:58,390 --> 00:40:56,079
conferences are happening back to back

858
00:40:59,270 --> 00:40:58,400
making contact and then the conscious

859
00:41:03,910 --> 00:40:59,280
life expo

860
00:41:05,750 --> 00:41:03,920
going on at the same time

861
00:41:07,670 --> 00:41:05,760
we have the united states and los

862
00:41:10,069 --> 00:41:07,680
angeles and then

863
00:41:11,829 --> 00:41:10,079
right after that it's uh switching over

864
00:41:14,870 --> 00:41:11,839
to the conscious life expo

865
00:41:18,309 --> 00:41:14,880
over in london at the hilton in

866
00:41:19,589 --> 00:41:18,319
in london and so you can do two things

867
00:41:22,150 --> 00:41:19,599
one

868
00:41:22,630 --> 00:41:22,160
in person come and hang out with this

869
00:41:27,349 --> 00:41:22,640
and

870
00:41:29,990 --> 00:41:27,359
conference at the lax hilton

871
00:41:31,190 --> 00:41:30,000
and we are occupying the second floor of

872
00:41:33,349 --> 00:41:31,200
the hilton

873
00:41:35,430 --> 00:41:33,359
uh the big version of conscious life

874
00:41:38,950 --> 00:41:35,440
expo of course is in february

875
00:41:40,550 --> 00:41:38,960
but this version of it um whitley and i

876
00:41:43,990 --> 00:41:40,560
and everybody we will

877
00:41:45,670 --> 00:41:44,000
uh do our live presentations in person

878
00:41:47,349 --> 00:41:45,680
but there's going to be a simulcast

879
00:41:48,150 --> 00:41:47,359
going on at the same time with the live

880
00:41:51,349 --> 00:41:48,160
stream

881
00:41:52,230 --> 00:41:51,359
for those that can't uh visit los

882
00:41:55,270 --> 00:41:52,240
angeles or

883
00:41:58,230 --> 00:41:55,280
london and then the stream whitley

884
00:41:59,430 --> 00:41:58,240
as you know picks up immediately after

885
00:42:01,990 --> 00:41:59,440
we wrap here

886
00:42:02,870 --> 00:42:02,000
in los angeles and switches over to

887
00:42:07,190 --> 00:42:02,880
london

888
00:42:10,950 --> 00:42:07,200
and it's like 16 18 hours

889
00:42:12,630 --> 00:42:10,960
of of streaming content uh from the uk

890
00:42:15,670 --> 00:42:12,640
and from the united states it's it's

891
00:42:17,750 --> 00:42:15,680
just an extraordinary event

892
00:42:19,430 --> 00:42:17,760
yeah it is going to be it is going to be

893
00:42:20,390 --> 00:42:19,440
an extraordinary event and you know

894
00:42:24,950 --> 00:42:20,400
there

895
00:42:26,390 --> 00:42:24,960
the two of them together are

896
00:42:28,390 --> 00:42:26,400
you know some of the like in the

897
00:42:31,190 --> 00:42:28,400
conscious life expo some of the

898
00:42:33,589 --> 00:42:31,200
subjects william henry the soul dilemma

899
00:42:37,750 --> 00:42:33,599
the future of humanity

900
00:42:40,870 --> 00:42:37,760
uh dr greer ce5 contact

901
00:42:43,670 --> 00:42:40,880
james redfield inspiration

902
00:42:44,150 --> 00:42:43,680
and this all means and i'm in fact i'm

903
00:42:46,790 --> 00:42:44,160
talking

904
00:42:48,390 --> 00:42:46,800
on a very simple topic what will happen

905
00:42:50,309 --> 00:42:48,400
to us

906
00:42:52,470 --> 00:42:50,319
because a lot's gonna a lot is changing

907
00:42:53,109 --> 00:42:52,480
in this world and not just in the world

908
00:42:56,150 --> 00:42:53,119
of et

909
00:43:00,630 --> 00:42:56,160
contact but just generally

910
00:43:03,750 --> 00:43:00,640
a lot and what's going to happen

911
00:43:07,430 --> 00:43:03,760
i i have some ideas i can certainly

912
00:43:11,190 --> 00:43:07,440
outline them but the main thing is

913
00:43:13,349 --> 00:43:11,200
for both conferences we need to get into

914
00:43:17,589 --> 00:43:13,359
perspective

915
00:43:21,190 --> 00:43:17,599
what this actually is

916
00:43:24,230 --> 00:43:21,200
like we talk about et contact

917
00:43:26,630 --> 00:43:24,240
and that's all well and good but

918
00:43:27,910 --> 00:43:26,640
let's back up a little bit what is et

919
00:43:30,309 --> 00:43:27,920
contact

920
00:43:30,950 --> 00:43:30,319
what is it that's you know that's a

921
00:43:33,990 --> 00:43:30,960
that's a

922
00:43:35,829 --> 00:43:34,000
great question and and uh and a really

923
00:43:38,950 --> 00:43:35,839
good place to start

924
00:43:39,990 --> 00:43:38,960
because the obvious is the obvious

925
00:43:43,109 --> 00:43:40,000
whitley

926
00:43:45,510 --> 00:43:43,119
people want it they're asking for

927
00:43:46,950 --> 00:43:45,520
disclosure pushing and pushing and

928
00:43:49,030 --> 00:43:46,960
pushing

929
00:43:53,030 --> 00:43:49,040
but do we really know what we're asking

930
00:43:55,910 --> 00:43:53,040
for what is et contact

931
00:43:57,030 --> 00:43:55,920
well you know that's that's we don't

932
00:44:00,309 --> 00:43:57,040
know

933
00:44:03,430 --> 00:44:00,319
what's happened is this

934
00:44:07,990 --> 00:44:03,440
back in the 40s and then

935
00:44:10,309 --> 00:44:08,000
building into the early 50s there was

936
00:44:12,550 --> 00:44:10,319
it became obvious very quickly after the

937
00:44:15,030 --> 00:44:12,560
roswell incident and possibly after the

938
00:44:17,030 --> 00:44:15,040
trinity incident too

939
00:44:19,190 --> 00:44:17,040
it's not clear what happened after the

940
00:44:23,109 --> 00:44:19,200
trinity incident

941
00:44:26,630 --> 00:44:23,119
but after roswell art accent was

942
00:44:29,190 --> 00:44:26,640
very clear everyone from truman on down

943
00:44:31,270 --> 00:44:29,200
knew this was not of what we'd found was

944
00:44:32,309 --> 00:44:31,280
not of this world within 24 hours of

945
00:44:34,630 --> 00:44:32,319
refining it

946
00:44:36,710 --> 00:44:34,640
and that's a sort of fundamental bottom

947
00:44:40,790 --> 00:44:36,720
line right there

948
00:44:44,390 --> 00:44:40,800
now not of this world

949
00:44:45,910 --> 00:44:44,400
doesn't say et it doesn't really say

950
00:44:50,069 --> 00:44:45,920
anything except

951
00:44:51,190 --> 00:44:50,079
what it says except they weren't us are

952
00:44:55,670 --> 00:44:51,200
apparently not

953
00:44:57,030 --> 00:44:55,680
there are a lot of things we don't

954
00:45:00,309 --> 00:44:57,040
understand

955
00:45:03,349 --> 00:45:00,319
about this universe among them

956
00:45:06,150 --> 00:45:03,359
is it how is it woven together

957
00:45:06,550 --> 00:45:06,160
are there parallel universes like i was

958
00:45:09,589 --> 00:45:06,560
up at

959
00:45:10,069 --> 00:45:09,599
uh a conference at pine ridge the pine

960
00:45:11,910 --> 00:45:10,079
ridge

961
00:45:13,430 --> 00:45:11,920
dakota sioux reservation just over the

962
00:45:17,589 --> 00:45:13,440
weekend

963
00:45:19,750 --> 00:45:17,599
had this

964
00:45:21,990 --> 00:45:19,760
experience of seeing into a parallel

965
00:45:25,190 --> 00:45:22,000
universe in 2019

966
00:45:26,550 --> 00:45:25,200
that i wrote about in my book a new

967
00:45:29,190 --> 00:45:26,560
world

968
00:45:29,990 --> 00:45:29,200
and i outlined the science of why that

969
00:45:33,190 --> 00:45:30,000
actually might

970
00:45:36,710 --> 00:45:33,200
be there and i saw into it again

971
00:45:38,150 --> 00:45:36,720
i've i didn't see into it as clearly or

972
00:45:40,309 --> 00:45:38,160
as extensively

973
00:45:43,109 --> 00:45:40,319
but in many ways what i saw was more

974
00:45:46,790 --> 00:45:43,119
important because i saw a town

975
00:45:48,790 --> 00:45:46,800
but what is going on here

976
00:45:49,910 --> 00:45:48,800
are we looking at something that comes

977
00:45:52,950 --> 00:45:49,920
out of

978
00:45:58,309 --> 00:45:52,960
like the same space we live in or

979
00:46:01,589 --> 00:45:58,319
or from millions of light years away

980
00:46:04,710 --> 00:46:01,599
gosh i mean it's just so interesting

981
00:46:08,150 --> 00:46:04,720
right now we're at the point of

982
00:46:12,230 --> 00:46:08,160
where we we have the culture the

983
00:46:13,510 --> 00:46:12,240
the society is is forming a kind of

984
00:46:15,670 --> 00:46:13,520
baseline

985
00:46:16,710 --> 00:46:15,680
we're facing the fact that somebody's

986
00:46:20,309 --> 00:46:16,720
here

987
00:46:23,430 --> 00:46:20,319
we have gotten to the point

988
00:46:26,309 --> 00:46:23,440
where we are saying we're willing to say

989
00:46:28,950 --> 00:46:26,319
yeah there are objects flying around our

990
00:46:30,790 --> 00:46:28,960
skies that we don't understand

991
00:46:32,550 --> 00:46:30,800
i say flying but they're not even flying

992
00:46:34,230 --> 00:46:32,560
they're moving around in the skies

993
00:46:35,510 --> 00:46:34,240
in ways that we don't understand we

994
00:46:36,710 --> 00:46:35,520
don't even understand how they move

995
00:46:38,710 --> 00:46:36,720
around in the skies

996
00:46:40,230 --> 00:46:38,720
we don't know why they're in the air

997
00:46:45,430 --> 00:46:40,240
because they're not

998
00:46:48,630 --> 00:46:45,440
uh aerodynamic they don't use wings

999
00:46:52,550 --> 00:46:48,640
so where we are is

1000
00:46:56,470 --> 00:46:52,560
we know this we have a huge

1001
00:46:59,190 --> 00:46:56,480
body of evidentiary material in the form

1002
00:47:02,390 --> 00:46:59,200
of all of this testimony

1003
00:47:05,190 --> 00:47:02,400
now where do we go from here

1004
00:47:06,069 --> 00:47:05,200
because we can't say we can't make the

1005
00:47:09,910 --> 00:47:06,079
leap

1006
00:47:10,710 --> 00:47:09,920
to e.t not yet because the universe is

1007
00:47:15,589 --> 00:47:10,720
bigger

1008
00:47:17,910 --> 00:47:15,599
stranger and more complicated

1009
00:47:19,990 --> 00:47:17,920
than we realize and it's simply too

1010
00:47:22,309 --> 00:47:20,000
early to nail it down

1011
00:47:24,390 --> 00:47:22,319
i love to speculate about the other

1012
00:47:27,510 --> 00:47:24,400
things that this could be

1013
00:47:31,589 --> 00:47:27,520
and there are a lot of them

1014
00:47:34,630 --> 00:47:31,599
the uh the eyes

1015
00:47:38,150 --> 00:47:34,640
i think are the best evidence

1016
00:47:41,270 --> 00:47:38,160
that we have and what i mean by that

1017
00:47:44,390 --> 00:47:41,280
and i'm i'm speaking very directly

1018
00:47:47,109 --> 00:47:44,400
is i have seen things

1019
00:47:48,230 --> 00:47:47,119
others have seen things but the stuff

1020
00:47:50,790 --> 00:47:48,240
that i have seen

1021
00:47:51,990 --> 00:47:50,800
whitley nobody is going to change my

1022
00:47:54,790 --> 00:47:52,000
reality they can't

1023
00:47:55,190 --> 00:47:54,800
tell me that it didn't happen and when i

1024
00:47:57,510 --> 00:47:55,200
see

1025
00:47:59,430 --> 00:47:57,520
something that is extraordinary that is

1026
00:48:01,510 --> 00:47:59,440
outside of the ordinary something that

1027
00:48:02,549 --> 00:48:01,520
i'm comfortable with seeing and i can

1028
00:48:05,990 --> 00:48:02,559
identify

1029
00:48:07,430 --> 00:48:06,000
like a helicopter or a kite and and i'm

1030
00:48:10,230 --> 00:48:07,440
seeing something that doesn't

1031
00:48:10,870 --> 00:48:10,240
fit anything i know that there is

1032
00:48:13,190 --> 00:48:10,880
something

1033
00:48:15,270 --> 00:48:13,200
else going on i doesn't mean that i

1034
00:48:18,630 --> 00:48:15,280
understand what it is

1035
00:48:21,910 --> 00:48:18,640
but my truth is the same truth

1036
00:48:25,670 --> 00:48:21,920
of millions of people and we we

1037
00:48:27,990 --> 00:48:25,680
can't anymore go into the denial of

1038
00:48:29,589 --> 00:48:28,000
i'm crazy i'm seeing things or other

1039
00:48:31,750 --> 00:48:29,599
people are just seeing things

1040
00:48:33,589 --> 00:48:31,760
we now know that that's not the case i'm

1041
00:48:37,030 --> 00:48:33,599
in exactly the same space

1042
00:48:39,750 --> 00:48:37,040
i i think we all many many of us are

1043
00:48:41,589 --> 00:48:39,760
but what is in that space with us that's

1044
00:48:44,150 --> 00:48:41,599
what we can't be sure of

1045
00:48:45,270 --> 00:48:44,160
i've seen things that i would say had to

1046
00:48:48,710 --> 00:48:45,280
be

1047
00:48:49,910 --> 00:48:48,720
not of this world i used to live by a

1048
00:48:53,190 --> 00:48:49,920
sort of assumption

1049
00:48:55,910 --> 00:48:53,200
that they might be extraterrestrials

1050
00:48:56,790 --> 00:48:55,920
but i'm not so sure now i've seen too

1051
00:49:00,150 --> 00:48:56,800
much

1052
00:49:02,549 --> 00:49:00,160
and it's been too weird and

1053
00:49:04,069 --> 00:49:02,559
i'm just i'm just very much up in the

1054
00:49:05,829 --> 00:49:04,079
air

1055
00:49:07,829 --> 00:49:05,839
about what this is there are certain

1056
00:49:11,750 --> 00:49:07,839
things

1057
00:49:14,790 --> 00:49:11,760
like if you go back to 1952

1058
00:49:17,109 --> 00:49:14,800
the july of 1952

1059
00:49:18,870 --> 00:49:17,119
the capitol there the washington over

1060
00:49:22,150 --> 00:49:18,880
flights

1061
00:49:26,630 --> 00:49:22,160
they are clearly that was uh those

1062
00:49:30,549 --> 00:49:26,640
objects were something very unusual

1063
00:49:33,829 --> 00:49:30,559
and yet

1064
00:49:35,270 --> 00:49:33,839
more happened at the same time frank

1065
00:49:38,630 --> 00:49:35,280
fischino in his

1066
00:49:42,829 --> 00:49:38,640
book about it describes

1067
00:49:46,870 --> 00:49:42,839
a whole sequence of events

1068
00:49:48,549 --> 00:49:46,880
that that involved washington but a lot

1069
00:49:51,589 --> 00:49:48,559
of other places too

1070
00:49:54,710 --> 00:49:51,599
down in west virginia

1071
00:49:58,230 --> 00:49:54,720
there there was some some bizarre

1072
00:50:01,349 --> 00:49:58,240
sightings of a gigantic device

1073
00:50:04,950 --> 00:50:01,359
that looked like some kind of

1074
00:50:06,790 --> 00:50:04,960
a suit that something enormous was

1075
00:50:10,069 --> 00:50:06,800
standing in

1076
00:50:13,030 --> 00:50:10,079
and it was moving around

1077
00:50:13,430 --> 00:50:13,040
known as the flatwoods monster it was

1078
00:50:17,270 --> 00:50:13,440
seven

1079
00:50:20,470 --> 00:50:17,280
feet or something tall and it was

1080
00:50:23,030 --> 00:50:20,480
floating around and

1081
00:50:25,109 --> 00:50:23,040
it was really strange and it was you

1082
00:50:27,430 --> 00:50:25,119
know you look at it you think

1083
00:50:28,710 --> 00:50:27,440
i think it might be really disappointing

1084
00:50:31,589 --> 00:50:28,720
to confront whatever

1085
00:50:32,230 --> 00:50:31,599
might come out of that thing and you

1086
00:50:35,430 --> 00:50:32,240
know

1087
00:50:37,990 --> 00:50:35,440
but that this experi this event this

1088
00:50:41,349 --> 00:50:38,000
series of complex events with

1089
00:50:43,270 --> 00:50:41,359
close encounters ufo flyovers and a lot

1090
00:50:47,109 --> 00:50:43,280
of other stuff

1091
00:50:50,710 --> 00:50:47,119
suggests some kind of

1092
00:50:51,270 --> 00:50:50,720
of close encounter were they trying to

1093
00:50:54,390 --> 00:50:51,280
make

1094
00:50:56,710 --> 00:50:54,400
contact were they trying to get a

1095
00:50:59,910 --> 00:50:56,720
situation together where they

1096
00:51:02,470 --> 00:50:59,920
did land

1097
00:51:04,230 --> 00:51:02,480
no idea but they didn't land i mean they

1098
00:51:06,630 --> 00:51:04,240
they came they sort of looked around

1099
00:51:09,990 --> 00:51:06,640
they were here in large numbers

1100
00:51:11,270 --> 00:51:10,000
they were challenging us to react and we

1101
00:51:13,910 --> 00:51:11,280
did we sent

1102
00:51:14,710 --> 00:51:13,920
jets up uh people called the sheriff

1103
00:51:17,829 --> 00:51:14,720
down in west

1104
00:51:21,109 --> 00:51:17,839
west virginia and people reacted

1105
00:51:22,069 --> 00:51:21,119
but then it ended so why was it like

1106
00:51:26,549 --> 00:51:22,079
that

1107
00:51:28,390 --> 00:51:26,559
forward to the hudson valley incidents

1108
00:51:30,630 --> 00:51:28,400
in the early 80s

1109
00:51:32,150 --> 00:51:30,640
that i became unwittingly tangled up in

1110
00:51:34,150 --> 00:51:32,160
toward the end of the period that they

1111
00:51:37,109 --> 00:51:34,160
were happening when i was

1112
00:51:38,470 --> 00:51:37,119
taken aboard a ufo and these things were

1113
00:51:40,870 --> 00:51:38,480
flying over

1114
00:51:42,549 --> 00:51:40,880
uh dutchess county across the hudson

1115
00:51:43,990 --> 00:51:42,559
river from where i lived in ulster

1116
00:51:47,670 --> 00:51:44,000
county

1117
00:51:49,270 --> 00:51:47,680
low i mean practically at

1118
00:51:51,589 --> 00:51:49,280
so low you could practically reach up

1119
00:51:55,190 --> 00:51:51,599
and touch them and they were huge

1120
00:51:57,270 --> 00:51:55,200
huge triangular objects bigger than

1121
00:51:58,870 --> 00:51:57,280
longer than football fields traveling

1122
00:52:01,589 --> 00:51:58,880
slowly overhead in

1123
00:52:02,870 --> 00:52:01,599
full view of hundreds of people from

1124
00:52:06,230 --> 00:52:02,880
night after night

1125
00:52:09,589 --> 00:52:06,240
month after month and

1126
00:52:12,309 --> 00:52:09,599
that happened now we

1127
00:52:14,470 --> 00:52:12,319
know that these people we would you know

1128
00:52:15,670 --> 00:52:14,480
there were so many efforts back in those

1129
00:52:18,150 --> 00:52:15,680
days

1130
00:52:19,910 --> 00:52:18,160
that they they said they were planes

1131
00:52:23,109 --> 00:52:19,920
flying in formation

1132
00:52:27,030 --> 00:52:23,119
night they bent over

1133
00:52:31,030 --> 00:52:27,040
backwards to debunk this

1134
00:52:33,829 --> 00:52:31,040
with claims that were much more fragile

1135
00:52:36,309 --> 00:52:33,839
than the claims being made by the many

1136
00:52:38,710 --> 00:52:36,319
witnesses who were seeing this

1137
00:52:40,470 --> 00:52:38,720
they were seeing something very very

1138
00:52:43,510 --> 00:52:40,480
unusual

1139
00:52:46,790 --> 00:52:43,520
but you know the weirdest part of it

1140
00:52:50,069 --> 00:52:46,800
there they would see these

1141
00:52:53,430 --> 00:52:50,079
objects with red green and white lights

1142
00:52:54,870 --> 00:52:53,440
on them now superficially that seems

1143
00:52:56,950 --> 00:52:54,880
well that maybe that's their

1144
00:53:00,230 --> 00:52:56,960
running lights or something but it

1145
00:53:04,549 --> 00:53:00,240
happens that those three colors are also

1146
00:53:09,349 --> 00:53:04,559
uh associated with the fairy lore

1147
00:53:12,710 --> 00:53:09,359
the fairy lower folk red red cap

1148
00:53:16,870 --> 00:53:12,720
green uh let's see

1149
00:53:21,750 --> 00:53:16,880
red cap green vest white owls feather

1150
00:53:24,470 --> 00:53:21,760
red white and green so what does it mean

1151
00:53:26,950 --> 00:53:24,480
and as jack valet points out the ufos

1152
00:53:31,109 --> 00:53:26,960
are as interested in pure water

1153
00:53:35,670 --> 00:53:31,119
as the fairy folk were so

1154
00:53:40,390 --> 00:53:35,680
what we have to do is very carefully

1155
00:53:43,549 --> 00:53:40,400
unpacked this gift from the unknown

1156
00:53:47,589 --> 00:53:43,559
on a whole lot of different levels

1157
00:53:51,349 --> 00:53:47,599
scientifically personally

1158
00:53:54,790 --> 00:53:51,359
culturally and socially

1159
00:53:57,990 --> 00:53:54,800
and i think that these conferences

1160
00:54:00,630 --> 00:53:58,000
the mark sims conference

1161
00:54:01,670 --> 00:54:00,640
is really i mean these conferences are a

1162
00:54:04,790 --> 00:54:01,680
serious

1163
00:54:06,470 --> 00:54:04,800
escalation of the human effort to

1164
00:54:10,069 --> 00:54:06,480
understand

1165
00:54:12,950 --> 00:54:10,079
um i think we're going to make some real

1166
00:54:13,829 --> 00:54:12,960
progress and these amazing panels that

1167
00:54:17,430 --> 00:54:13,839
mark has

1168
00:54:20,630 --> 00:54:17,440
uh pulled together i i mean

1169
00:54:24,309 --> 00:54:20,640
you don't you don't see

1170
00:54:27,430 --> 00:54:24,319
uh danny she and linda howe

1171
00:54:30,870 --> 00:54:27,440
uh uh lou elizondo

1172
00:54:31,589 --> 00:54:30,880
chris mellon all together at the same

1173
00:54:34,309 --> 00:54:31,599
time

1174
00:54:34,870 --> 00:54:34,319
much less with me in there to stir the

1175
00:54:37,270 --> 00:54:34,880
pot

1176
00:54:38,230 --> 00:54:37,280
it's gonna be very interesting in you

1177
00:54:41,349 --> 00:54:38,240
yes and

1178
00:54:43,510 --> 00:54:41,359
uh and uh and eric weinstein and

1179
00:54:44,950 --> 00:54:43,520
right eric weinstein what what a

1180
00:54:48,390 --> 00:54:44,960
brilliant mind

1181
00:54:50,630 --> 00:54:48,400
uh that is uh uh

1182
00:54:51,990 --> 00:54:50,640
entering you know not only this

1183
00:54:54,150 --> 00:54:52,000
community but

1184
00:54:56,470 --> 00:54:54,160
but he's curious and he is one of the

1185
00:54:59,589 --> 00:54:56,480
smartest people on this planet uh

1186
00:55:01,030 --> 00:54:59,599
yeah and uh now but there's another part

1187
00:55:04,150 --> 00:55:01,040
to this

1188
00:55:07,670 --> 00:55:04,160
um i feel that

1189
00:55:11,030 --> 00:55:07,680
the world us everybody

1190
00:55:13,190 --> 00:55:11,040
we're just getting smarter every day we

1191
00:55:13,670 --> 00:55:13,200
are smarter today than we were 10 years

1192
00:55:16,390 --> 00:55:13,680
ago

1193
00:55:17,670 --> 00:55:16,400
we have you know we've all got a

1194
00:55:19,829 --> 00:55:17,680
doctorate degree

1195
00:55:21,589 --> 00:55:19,839
in in knowledge over the last 10 years

1196
00:55:24,390 --> 00:55:21,599
in the last 20 years

1197
00:55:24,870 --> 00:55:24,400
and we are understanding more than we

1198
00:55:27,990 --> 00:55:24,880
ever

1199
00:55:31,510 --> 00:55:28,000
have collectively as a planet and

1200
00:55:33,510 --> 00:55:31,520
i i think that we know uh now

1201
00:55:35,190 --> 00:55:33,520
that of course we can't be alone in the

1202
00:55:38,069 --> 00:55:35,200
universe that is just as

1203
00:55:39,030 --> 00:55:38,079
statistically an impossibility but we

1204
00:55:42,230 --> 00:55:39,040
understand this

1205
00:55:45,829 --> 00:55:42,240
it isn't about science fiction movies

1206
00:55:46,630 --> 00:55:45,839
or imagination today we understand this

1207
00:55:49,750 --> 00:55:46,640
and we

1208
00:55:52,789 --> 00:55:49,760
are because of our intelligence whitley

1209
00:55:54,309 --> 00:55:52,799
we can handle more right we can handle

1210
00:55:56,549 --> 00:55:54,319
this knowledge

1211
00:55:57,430 --> 00:55:56,559
we're getting used to this and you know

1212
00:55:59,430 --> 00:55:57,440
when

1213
00:56:01,270 --> 00:55:59,440
roger lear was alive he used to talk

1214
00:56:03,829 --> 00:56:01,280
about the fact that

1215
00:56:05,109 --> 00:56:03,839
children's intelligence tested

1216
00:56:07,670 --> 00:56:05,119
intelligence

1217
00:56:10,870 --> 00:56:07,680
has been rising dramatically and you

1218
00:56:12,789 --> 00:56:10,880
know when i look at my grandkids

1219
00:56:14,390 --> 00:56:12,799
as compared to what i was like when i

1220
00:56:17,190 --> 00:56:14,400
was nine and

1221
00:56:19,829 --> 00:56:17,200
i think you know i didn't realize at the

1222
00:56:22,950 --> 00:56:19,839
time but i was actually a complete [\h__\h]

1223
00:56:25,270 --> 00:56:22,960
by comparison to these kids

1224
00:56:27,589 --> 00:56:25,280
and uh when they grow up you know i'm

1225
00:56:29,030 --> 00:56:27,599
not a [\h__\h] now

1226
00:56:31,030 --> 00:56:29,040
but when they grow up what in the world

1227
00:56:33,430 --> 00:56:31,040
are they going to be like

1228
00:56:34,549 --> 00:56:33,440
they're amazing and it's not just my

1229
00:56:36,309 --> 00:56:34,559
grandkids

1230
00:56:38,230 --> 00:56:36,319
everybody's kids it's a general

1231
00:56:41,270 --> 00:56:38,240
experience

1232
00:56:44,390 --> 00:56:41,280
i talked to my daughters today and you

1233
00:56:47,829 --> 00:56:44,400
know they're 26 years old but um i

1234
00:56:50,549 --> 00:56:47,839
i look back to where i was mentally

1235
00:56:51,030 --> 00:56:50,559
at uh you know that age you know 20 21

1236
00:56:54,950 --> 00:56:51,040
22

1237
00:56:57,910 --> 00:56:54,960
26 and they are just light years past me

1238
00:56:58,630 --> 00:56:57,920
light years you know they it's like i'm

1239
00:57:01,750 --> 00:56:58,640
58

1240
00:57:04,230 --> 00:57:01,760
and they are where i am today

1241
00:57:07,270 --> 00:57:04,240
they've got like a 26-year head start on

1242
00:57:14,069 --> 00:57:10,870
yeah well exactly exactly in

1243
00:57:16,710 --> 00:57:14,079
my my nine-year-old knows

1244
00:57:18,789 --> 00:57:16,720
as much as i knew easily as much as i

1245
00:57:22,150 --> 00:57:18,799
knew when i was 20.

1246
00:57:23,270 --> 00:57:22,160
easily yeah easily maybe more and so are

1247
00:57:35,190 --> 00:57:23,280
we ready

1248
00:57:38,390 --> 00:57:35,200
well you know we better be

1249
00:57:39,990 --> 00:57:38,400
we better be and the making contact

1250
00:57:42,630 --> 00:57:40,000
conference this is mark's conference

1251
00:57:43,349 --> 00:57:42,640
it's kev it's makingcontact.com by the

1252
00:57:44,630 --> 00:57:43,359
way

1253
00:57:47,109 --> 00:57:44,640
i don't think we've mentioned that and

1254
00:57:50,750 --> 00:57:47,119
the other one is conscious life

1255
00:57:52,630 --> 00:57:50,760
expo i mean uh yeah

1256
00:57:56,670 --> 00:57:52,640
consciouslifeexpo.com.com yeah

1257
00:57:58,870 --> 00:57:56,680
uh so so go to those websites and go to

1258
00:58:01,910 --> 00:57:58,880
makingcontact.com

1259
00:58:04,950 --> 00:58:01,920
because that's the first one up and it

1260
00:58:07,990 --> 00:58:04,960
um you know you

1261
00:58:11,589 --> 00:58:08,000
we have to get involved if we do

1262
00:58:14,309 --> 00:58:11,599
get involved in a rational way

1263
00:58:16,549 --> 00:58:14,319
admitting the limitations we're under

1264
00:58:18,870 --> 00:58:16,559
right now

1265
00:58:20,710 --> 00:58:18,880
and we basically forget about the whole

1266
00:58:22,309 --> 00:58:20,720
disclosure process

1267
00:58:24,150 --> 00:58:22,319
i know i've never thought it mattered

1268
00:58:27,349 --> 00:58:24,160
very much and now i'm

1269
00:58:30,390 --> 00:58:27,359
quite certain that the

1270
00:58:32,870 --> 00:58:30,400
the public effort

1271
00:58:33,670 --> 00:58:32,880
to make contact that someone like mark

1272
00:58:38,630 --> 00:58:33,680
is

1273
00:58:42,549 --> 00:58:38,640
and everything that he

1274
00:58:45,349 --> 00:58:42,559
works with uh that is what

1275
00:58:46,710 --> 00:58:45,359
matters that that's what the visitors

1276
00:58:49,430 --> 00:58:46,720
are going to respond to

1277
00:58:50,789 --> 00:58:49,440
because there's a reason that they went

1278
00:58:54,870 --> 00:58:50,799
into people's

1279
00:58:58,230 --> 00:58:54,880
homes and their bedrooms and their lives

1280
00:59:02,630 --> 00:58:58,240
and engaged with people directly

1281
00:59:05,910 --> 00:59:02,640
and the reason is we can handle it

1282
00:59:10,390 --> 00:59:05,920
and we can make it work i'm quite sure

1283
00:59:12,789 --> 00:59:10,400
but i don't think that

1284
00:59:13,990 --> 00:59:12,799
governments are going to be as

1285
00:59:16,390 --> 00:59:14,000
successful

1286
00:59:18,150 --> 00:59:16,400
for a very simple reason it's nothing

1287
00:59:19,670 --> 00:59:18,160
wrong with the governments and nothing

1288
00:59:22,230 --> 00:59:19,680
wrong with the people in them

1289
00:59:23,349 --> 00:59:22,240
but they have a mission which is

1290
00:59:26,390 --> 00:59:23,359
fundamentally

1291
00:59:29,910 --> 00:59:26,400
protective they have their

1292
00:59:33,190 --> 00:59:29,920
job is to protect the society from

1293
00:59:34,470 --> 00:59:33,200
external in intrusions that could be

1294
00:59:37,270 --> 00:59:34,480
dangerous

1295
00:59:38,870 --> 00:59:37,280
of all kinds whether it's a disease an

1296
00:59:42,069 --> 00:59:38,880
invasion

1297
00:59:44,230 --> 00:59:42,079
whatever it may be what's that my

1298
00:59:45,349 --> 00:59:44,240
that mindset's not the right mindset for

1299
00:59:47,270 --> 00:59:45,359
that

1300
00:59:49,430 --> 00:59:47,280
it's not let's take our break right here

1301
00:59:51,109 --> 00:59:49,440
our guest tonight whitley strieber

1302
00:59:54,309 --> 00:59:51,119
tonight we're having a conversation

1303
00:59:55,750 --> 00:59:54,319
about e.t i am your host jimmy church

1304
00:59:58,470 --> 00:59:55,760
this is fade to black and the game

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changer network and kgra

1306
01:00:01,990 --> 01:00:00,520
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1308
01:00:07,030 --> 01:00:05,280
and streamer.com the links are over on

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hi this is ray sobs here repping the

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1415
01:04:38,069 --> 01:04:36,480
and you're listening to jimmy church a

1416
01:04:39,670 --> 01:04:38,079
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1417
01:04:41,670 --> 01:04:39,680
this is jimmy churchill fade to black

1418
01:04:43,990 --> 01:04:41,680
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1419
01:04:44,950 --> 01:04:44,000
not by just going to our membership

1420
01:04:48,309 --> 01:04:44,960
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1421
01:04:50,309 --> 01:04:48,319
at jimmychurchradio.com

1422
01:04:51,829 --> 01:04:50,319
hello this is serena wright taylor from

1423
01:04:53,670 --> 01:04:51,839
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1424
01:04:55,910 --> 01:04:53,680
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1425
01:04:58,150 --> 01:04:55,920
with jimmy church who holds the lucky

1426
01:04:58,630 --> 01:04:58,160
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1427
01:05:02,789 --> 01:04:58,640
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1428
01:05:04,470 --> 01:05:02,799
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1429
01:05:06,150 --> 01:05:04,480
this is micah hanks of the ghrelian

1430
01:05:07,589 --> 01:05:06,160
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1431
01:05:09,349 --> 01:05:07,599
church on fade to black

1432
01:05:11,349 --> 01:05:09,359
across the globe on the game changer

1433
01:05:34,069 --> 01:05:11,359
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1434
01:05:37,190 --> 01:05:35,829
welcome back fade to black i am your

1435
01:05:38,309 --> 01:05:37,200
host jimmy church tonight whitney

1436
01:05:39,829 --> 01:05:38,319
strieber is here

1437
01:05:42,470 --> 01:05:39,839
i want to remind everybody tomorrow

1438
01:05:44,470 --> 01:05:42,480
night mark sims is joining us for the

1439
01:05:46,549 --> 01:05:44,480
first time and then wednesday night

1440
01:05:47,510 --> 01:05:46,559
peter robbins joins us followed by

1441
01:05:49,910 --> 01:05:47,520
thursday night with a

1442
01:05:51,109 --> 01:05:49,920
fader night open lines all night long

1443
01:05:53,029 --> 01:05:51,119
and tonight

1444
01:05:54,630 --> 01:05:53,039
as promised whitley and i are just going

1445
01:05:57,990 --> 01:05:54,640
to have an open and

1446
01:05:59,670 --> 01:05:58,000
frank conversation about e.t and one of

1447
01:06:01,829 --> 01:05:59,680
the things oh i wanted to

1448
01:06:02,710 --> 01:06:01,839
show that whitley check this out and see

1449
01:06:05,750 --> 01:06:02,720
what camera

1450
01:06:09,670 --> 01:06:05,760
are you on whitley can you see this

1451
01:06:13,109 --> 01:06:09,680
i can see it that was gifted to me

1452
01:06:16,150 --> 01:06:13,119
by mark sims that's right yeah i've seen

1453
01:06:17,029 --> 01:06:16,160
he's got those yeah it's just absolutely

1454
01:06:19,589 --> 01:06:17,039
incredible

1455
01:06:20,470 --> 01:06:19,599
and the best part about it is it opens

1456
01:06:23,349 --> 01:06:20,480
up

1457
01:06:23,910 --> 01:06:23,359
and then on the inside it's very clever

1458
01:06:26,950 --> 01:06:23,920
so

1459
01:06:27,990 --> 01:06:26,960
it's a piece of jewelry but then this

1460
01:06:31,029 --> 01:06:28,000
spins open

1461
01:06:33,750 --> 01:06:31,039
and then there is a four leaf clover

1462
01:06:35,990 --> 01:06:33,760
in there it's uh it's just it's just

1463
01:06:39,829 --> 01:06:36,000
incredible mark thank you for this

1464
01:06:42,870 --> 01:06:39,839
um uh but uh anyway the

1465
01:06:43,430 --> 01:06:42,880
the other aspect uh to this whitley you

1466
01:06:46,789 --> 01:06:43,440
have uh

1467
01:06:47,589 --> 01:06:46,799
been dealing with so many different

1468
01:06:51,430 --> 01:06:47,599
facets

1469
01:06:54,309 --> 01:06:51,440
of this question but today

1470
01:06:55,270 --> 01:06:54,319
it appears that the government and the

1471
01:06:57,510 --> 01:06:55,280
pentagon

1472
01:07:00,390 --> 01:06:57,520
want to be our best friend and i'm

1473
01:07:03,829 --> 01:07:00,400
talking about the ufo community and

1474
01:07:05,829 --> 01:07:03,839
this et conversation in uaps it's never

1475
01:07:08,549 --> 01:07:05,839
been like this before

1476
01:07:09,589 --> 01:07:08,559
um and there is a big chunk of this

1477
01:07:12,230 --> 01:07:09,599
community that

1478
01:07:13,510 --> 01:07:12,240
is okay with it i'm gonna throw that

1479
01:07:16,870 --> 01:07:13,520
right at you

1480
01:07:19,109 --> 01:07:16,880
are you are you are you okay with

1481
01:07:19,910 --> 01:07:19,119
making best friends and jumping into the

1482
01:07:22,549 --> 01:07:19,920
pond

1483
01:07:23,829 --> 01:07:22,559
and uh you know paddling around uh with

1484
01:07:25,670 --> 01:07:23,839
the government in the department of

1485
01:07:28,309 --> 01:07:25,680
defense

1486
01:07:30,470 --> 01:07:28,319
well let's think first about why they

1487
01:07:32,069 --> 01:07:30,480
may have changed their tune

1488
01:07:34,549 --> 01:07:32,079
because you're talking to somebody who's

1489
01:07:37,670 --> 01:07:34,559
been oppressed by them for a long time

1490
01:07:40,630 --> 01:07:37,680
right i mean the way back

1491
01:07:41,990 --> 01:07:40,640
when i the one of the first things that

1492
01:07:45,990 --> 01:07:42,000
happened was the

1493
01:07:48,230 --> 01:07:46,000
fbi visited my doctor i supposed to try

1494
01:07:51,510 --> 01:07:48,240
to find dirt on me something that

1495
01:07:54,870 --> 01:07:51,520
could enable them to debunk me

1496
01:07:58,150 --> 01:07:54,880
and so

1497
01:08:00,390 --> 01:07:58,160
i am to say the least wishing to cut the

1498
01:08:01,750 --> 01:08:00,400
cards in any poker game i play with the

1499
01:08:05,589 --> 01:08:01,760
pentagon

1500
01:08:06,069 --> 01:08:05,599
um that doesn't mean i won't play poker

1501
01:08:08,630 --> 01:08:06,079
with them

1502
01:08:10,789 --> 01:08:08,640
absolutely not i will of course i will i

1503
01:08:11,750 --> 01:08:10,799
think we all should be more than willing

1504
01:08:15,670 --> 01:08:11,760
to take

1505
01:08:18,709 --> 01:08:15,680
what is available but let's think about

1506
01:08:21,749 --> 01:08:18,719
why this change

1507
01:08:23,189 --> 01:08:21,759
there can only be one reason for it in

1508
01:08:26,789 --> 01:08:23,199
my opinion

1509
01:08:30,550 --> 01:08:26,799
what is that and that is that they know

1510
01:08:31,430 --> 01:08:30,560
or suspect that something is going to

1511
01:08:34,709 --> 01:08:31,440
happen

1512
01:08:35,110 --> 01:08:34,719
outside of their control that is going

1513
01:08:37,910 --> 01:08:35,120
to

1514
01:08:39,110 --> 01:08:37,920
take the initiative away from them that

1515
01:08:41,430 --> 01:08:39,120
is to say

1516
01:08:43,030 --> 01:08:41,440
something is going to happen or a series

1517
01:08:46,550 --> 01:08:43,040
of events are going to occur

1518
01:08:49,349 --> 01:08:46,560
a very complex series of events such as

1519
01:08:50,149 --> 01:08:49,359
climate breakdown coupled with et

1520
01:08:52,550 --> 01:08:50,159
appearance

1521
01:08:53,189 --> 01:08:52,560
something like that and they are going

1522
01:08:59,430 --> 01:08:53,199
to

1523
01:09:02,630 --> 01:08:59,440
picture

1524
01:09:06,309 --> 01:09:02,640
once again it's their mission to

1525
01:09:07,269 --> 01:09:06,319
protect the country and the if the

1526
01:09:10,390 --> 01:09:07,279
country

1527
01:09:11,110 --> 01:09:10,400
if somebody out flanks them and at ends

1528
01:09:14,229 --> 01:09:11,120
up

1529
01:09:16,229 --> 01:09:14,239
not on the white house lawn but in

1530
01:09:18,309 --> 01:09:16,239
my backyard or i don't have a backyard

1531
01:09:19,269 --> 01:09:18,319
or because i'm living a condo but say if

1532
01:09:21,189 --> 01:09:19,279
you have a backyard

1533
01:09:22,709 --> 01:09:21,199
maybe you'll have a backyard ends up in

1534
01:09:25,669 --> 01:09:22,719
your backyard

1535
01:09:27,829 --> 01:09:25,679
or everybody's backyards if they end up

1536
01:09:31,829 --> 01:09:27,839
walking into our living rooms on

1537
01:09:34,470 --> 01:09:31,839
mass anything like that could happen uh

1538
01:09:35,510 --> 01:09:34,480
then where is the pentagon sitting on

1539
01:09:38,149 --> 01:09:35,520
the fact that it

1540
01:09:41,269 --> 01:09:38,159
lied about this for 70 years and then

1541
01:09:43,749 --> 01:09:41,279
all of a sudden here it is in our laps

1542
01:09:45,430 --> 01:09:43,759
now that's that's a pretty hard place a

1543
01:09:46,870 --> 01:09:45,440
hard chair to sit in

1544
01:09:48,709 --> 01:09:46,880
they don't want to sit there they want

1545
01:09:51,749 --> 01:09:48,719
to wanna they wanna

1546
01:09:52,229 --> 01:09:51,759
show me up to us and fine if they do and

1547
01:09:54,550 --> 01:09:52,239
if

1548
01:09:56,550 --> 01:09:54,560
you know i'm not gonna say no i'm not

1549
01:09:59,270 --> 01:09:56,560
gonna fold my arms and say you

1550
01:10:00,470 --> 01:09:59,280
you tormented me in the past and i don't

1551
01:10:03,270 --> 01:10:00,480
like you

1552
01:10:04,229 --> 01:10:03,280
i'm not i'm too practical i'm gonna take

1553
01:10:07,910 --> 01:10:04,239
what i can

1554
01:10:11,270 --> 01:10:07,920
when i can get it simple as that

1555
01:10:14,149 --> 01:10:11,280
do you um could it be

1556
01:10:14,950 --> 01:10:14,159
um let's let's look at this because

1557
01:10:17,189 --> 01:10:14,960
although i

1558
01:10:18,870 --> 01:10:17,199
agree with you i think that they know

1559
01:10:21,350 --> 01:10:18,880
that there is

1560
01:10:21,910 --> 01:10:21,360
something that is that is out of their

1561
01:10:25,590 --> 01:10:21,920
control

1562
01:10:27,590 --> 01:10:25,600
that's the only real i've looked at this

1563
01:10:29,430 --> 01:10:27,600
from every angle

1564
01:10:31,430 --> 01:10:29,440
it has to be something that they know

1565
01:10:32,870 --> 01:10:31,440
about that is not in their control but

1566
01:10:36,470 --> 01:10:32,880
what would those things be

1567
01:10:38,470 --> 01:10:36,480
a um maybe they're tracking a craft

1568
01:10:40,709 --> 01:10:38,480
outside of our star system right now and

1569
01:10:42,470 --> 01:10:40,719
it's taking a few years to get here

1570
01:10:44,070 --> 01:10:42,480
and they've been tracking it and they

1571
01:10:46,630 --> 01:10:44,080
now know that

1572
01:10:48,709 --> 01:10:46,640
uh it's inevitable that this event is

1573
01:10:51,830 --> 01:10:48,719
about to happen that's one scenario

1574
01:10:54,709 --> 01:10:51,840
another one maybe uh

1575
01:10:55,669 --> 01:10:54,719
maybe there's somebody rogue uh that is

1576
01:10:58,709 --> 01:10:55,679
running around

1577
01:11:02,709 --> 01:10:58,719
with a usb drive full of

1578
01:11:05,830 --> 01:11:02,719
of of data and they know that this is

1579
01:11:09,430 --> 01:11:05,840
about to get exposed and there's that

1580
01:11:10,149 --> 01:11:09,440
possibility um maybe they are in contact

1581
01:11:12,950 --> 01:11:10,159
with et

1582
01:11:14,070 --> 01:11:12,960
maybe et has made an announcement and

1583
01:11:17,430 --> 01:11:14,080
and said we're going to be

1584
01:11:20,149 --> 01:11:17,440
here on such and such a date and

1585
01:11:20,950 --> 01:11:20,159
and you know all of these scenarios are

1586
01:11:24,149 --> 01:11:20,960
completely

1587
01:11:24,470 --> 01:11:24,159
out of the government's control i think

1588
01:11:29,030 --> 01:11:24,480
that

1589
01:11:31,830 --> 01:11:29,040
their control

1590
01:11:32,390 --> 01:11:31,840
coming down the pike in different ways

1591
01:11:40,149 --> 01:11:32,400
uh

1592
01:11:42,630 --> 01:11:40,159
some kind of a of a of a position

1593
01:11:43,430 --> 01:11:42,640
some kind of position of influence

1594
01:11:46,550 --> 01:11:43,440
because it's

1595
01:11:48,790 --> 01:11:46,560
it's their job to keep the society

1596
01:11:50,709 --> 01:11:48,800
organized and stable and not let it fly

1597
01:11:53,590 --> 01:11:50,719
apart at the seams

1598
01:11:56,229 --> 01:11:53,600
and i have to tell you from what i know

1599
01:11:59,910 --> 01:11:56,239
about the close encounter experience

1600
01:12:03,189 --> 01:11:59,920
if this comes into general the

1601
01:12:03,590 --> 01:12:03,199
general world it's going to be hard it

1602
01:12:07,189 --> 01:12:03,600
takes

1603
01:12:12,550 --> 01:12:07,199
experiencers years

1604
01:12:14,709 --> 01:12:12,560
to to get into a situation with this

1605
01:12:17,750 --> 01:12:14,719
that they can they can live with and

1606
01:12:20,630 --> 01:12:17,760
benefit from it's not easy

1607
01:12:22,550 --> 01:12:20,640
and maybe it'll get easier i don't know

1608
01:12:24,149 --> 01:12:22,560
maybe there was a learning curve

1609
01:12:26,550 --> 01:12:24,159
on the other side too maybe they were

1610
01:12:29,030 --> 01:12:26,560
trying to figure out what worked with us

1611
01:12:31,110 --> 01:12:29,040
and maybe they'll be easier to deal with

1612
01:12:33,590 --> 01:12:31,120
in the future i don't know

1613
01:12:35,350 --> 01:12:33,600
but i think that there's going to be a

1614
01:12:37,510 --> 01:12:35,360
very big culture shock and

1615
01:12:38,870 --> 01:12:37,520
people talk all the time about religion

1616
01:12:40,950 --> 01:12:38,880
i don't think that's

1617
01:12:43,110 --> 01:12:40,960
that's the important thing i think it's

1618
01:12:45,189 --> 01:12:43,120
much larger than that

1619
01:12:48,630 --> 01:12:45,199
i think among other things when you get

1620
01:12:52,229 --> 01:12:48,640
close to the contact experience

1621
01:12:54,630 --> 01:12:52,239
things happen to you such as

1622
01:12:55,830 --> 01:12:54,640
in my case and in many other cases i've

1623
01:12:58,709 --> 01:12:55,840
had experiences of

1624
01:12:59,189 --> 01:12:58,719
physic of leaving my physical body in

1625
01:13:01,750 --> 01:12:59,199
full

1626
01:13:03,030 --> 01:13:01,760
complete consciousness with a total

1627
01:13:05,750 --> 01:13:03,040
separation

1628
01:13:06,870 --> 01:13:05,760
and moving into completely different

1629
01:13:10,470 --> 01:13:06,880
areas

1630
01:13:12,470 --> 01:13:10,480
once i was two thousand miles away

1631
01:13:13,750 --> 01:13:12,480
and i was totally conscious the whole

1632
01:13:17,669 --> 01:13:13,760
time i was

1633
01:13:20,790 --> 01:13:17,679
absolutely not attached to my body

1634
01:13:22,149 --> 01:13:20,800
now many close encounter witnesses have

1635
01:13:24,630 --> 01:13:22,159
this experience it's quite

1636
01:13:25,830 --> 01:13:24,640
ordinary it is not something in the

1637
01:13:28,950 --> 01:13:25,840
brain

1638
01:13:31,350 --> 01:13:28,960
it is something about the way we relate

1639
01:13:32,070 --> 01:13:31,360
to reality that we don't understand and

1640
01:13:35,430 --> 01:13:32,080
that isn't

1641
01:13:37,910 --> 01:13:35,440
supposed to be true most

1642
01:13:39,990 --> 01:13:37,920
members of the scientific community

1643
01:13:43,350 --> 01:13:40,000
start with the idea

1644
01:13:43,669 --> 01:13:43,360
that the material world as we understand

1645
01:13:46,709 --> 01:13:43,679
it

1646
01:13:49,990 --> 01:13:46,719
now is everything

1647
01:13:53,030 --> 01:13:50,000
now if you go back 200 years

1648
01:13:55,270 --> 01:13:53,040
they had the same attitude only

1649
01:13:56,870 --> 01:13:55,280
in the past 200 years the material world

1650
01:13:58,870 --> 01:13:56,880
has grown considerably

1651
01:14:00,550 --> 01:13:58,880
but they still take it like that and

1652
01:14:01,910 --> 01:14:00,560
that makes it a belief system rather

1653
01:14:05,430 --> 01:14:01,920
than a scientific

1654
01:14:07,030 --> 01:14:05,440
exploration but they don't realize that

1655
01:14:08,950 --> 01:14:07,040
and they're going to be disrupted

1656
01:14:12,149 --> 01:14:08,960
seriously disrupted

1657
01:14:13,510 --> 01:14:12,159
not so much by e.t i think they'll

1658
01:14:17,189 --> 01:14:13,520
absorb that

1659
01:14:20,630 --> 01:14:17,199
up

1660
01:14:23,430 --> 01:14:20,640
and and they'll do what they can with it

1661
01:14:24,310 --> 01:14:23,440
i think the best of them will be trying

1662
01:14:27,590 --> 01:14:24,320
to understand

1663
01:14:30,870 --> 01:14:27,600
what exactly et is a

1664
01:14:34,390 --> 01:14:30,880
and the the

1665
01:14:38,790 --> 01:14:34,400
but when it comes to the fact that

1666
01:14:42,550 --> 01:14:38,800
not only is et here but they have souls

1667
01:14:45,590 --> 01:14:42,560
and et knows way more about that

1668
01:14:46,149 --> 01:14:45,600
than they do and is primarily interested

1669
01:14:48,310 --> 01:14:46,159
in

1670
01:14:49,189 --> 01:14:48,320
and focused on that aspect of their

1671
01:14:52,870 --> 01:14:49,199
lives

1672
01:14:55,189 --> 01:14:52,880
that they haven't even believed existed

1673
01:14:56,070 --> 01:14:55,199
they're going to have trouble jimmy

1674
01:14:59,110 --> 01:14:56,080
they're going to have big

1675
01:15:00,630 --> 01:14:59,120
trouble their whole world view

1676
01:15:03,189 --> 01:15:00,640
everything is going to collapse

1677
01:15:04,630 --> 01:15:03,199
it's going to implode and look at what

1678
01:15:08,630 --> 01:15:04,640
happened to the incas when

1679
01:15:11,110 --> 01:15:08,640
pizarro showed up their whole world view

1680
01:15:14,870 --> 01:15:11,120
imploded and they became

1681
01:15:17,110 --> 01:15:14,880
unable to function they just stood by

1682
01:15:18,790 --> 01:15:17,120
in their thousands in their powerful

1683
01:15:21,830 --> 01:15:18,800
empire

1684
01:15:24,390 --> 01:15:21,840
and let a couple of hundred spanish

1685
01:15:26,149 --> 01:15:24,400
spaniards completely take over their

1686
01:15:28,630 --> 01:15:26,159
world

1687
01:15:30,070 --> 01:15:28,640
they didn't know what to do with this

1688
01:15:33,830 --> 01:15:30,080
because it did not

1689
01:15:37,270 --> 01:15:33,840
fit into any of their

1690
01:15:38,790 --> 01:15:37,280
cultural expectations and understanding

1691
01:15:41,910 --> 01:15:38,800
of the world

1692
01:15:45,430 --> 01:15:41,920
now it's different

1693
01:15:48,470 --> 01:15:45,440
what's different about it et

1694
01:15:52,390 --> 01:15:48,480
has been trying to fit

1695
01:15:55,830 --> 01:15:52,400
into our world for at least

1696
01:15:59,350 --> 01:15:55,840
70 years and probably longer so

1697
01:16:02,550 --> 01:15:59,360
when a focused

1698
01:16:05,990 --> 01:16:02,560
contact begins to emerge

1699
01:16:08,790 --> 01:16:06,000
we will already have a cultural

1700
01:16:09,189 --> 01:16:08,800
foundation with which to address it we

1701
01:16:12,390 --> 01:16:09,199
won't

1702
01:16:14,950 --> 01:16:12,400
end up like the incas you and i

1703
01:16:16,310 --> 01:16:14,960
won't the listeners won't the average

1704
01:16:19,350 --> 01:16:16,320
person won't

1705
01:16:20,149 --> 01:16:19,360
that's not true of our scientists many

1706
01:16:24,470 --> 01:16:20,159
of our religious

1707
01:16:28,550 --> 01:16:24,480
people they will they will be undercut

1708
01:16:31,669 --> 01:16:28,560
do you think uh it's it's as simple as

1709
01:16:34,630 --> 01:16:31,679
and i can only imagine how

1710
01:16:35,910 --> 01:16:34,640
the pope and the vatican is preparing to

1711
01:16:38,070 --> 01:16:35,920
deal with this

1712
01:16:39,510 --> 01:16:38,080
but it's got to be simple whitley it's

1713
01:16:42,630 --> 01:16:39,520
got to be something like

1714
01:16:46,229 --> 01:16:42,640
an announcement god's cool with it

1715
01:16:47,990 --> 01:16:46,239
right right it's got to be

1716
01:16:49,830 --> 01:16:48,000
something like a complicated thing that

1717
01:16:52,149 --> 01:16:49,840
ever happened in human history

1718
01:16:53,510 --> 01:16:52,159
simple enough for the average person to

1719
01:16:56,630 --> 01:16:53,520
understand

1720
01:17:01,189 --> 01:16:56,640
that's going to be quite a trick now

1721
01:17:03,830 --> 01:17:01,199
as far as religion is concerned um

1722
01:17:05,110 --> 01:17:03,840
you know i've had a very long journey

1723
01:17:07,590 --> 01:17:05,120
with this and

1724
01:17:08,630 --> 01:17:07,600
i started out as a boy as a very devout

1725
01:17:11,750 --> 01:17:08,640
catholic

1726
01:17:13,030 --> 01:17:11,760
i've and i i never really rejected it i

1727
01:17:17,110 --> 01:17:13,040
went through a

1728
01:17:20,630 --> 01:17:17,120
long life long and increasingly

1729
01:17:23,910 --> 01:17:20,640
nuanced vision of

1730
01:17:25,830 --> 01:17:23,920
the religious experience culminating in

1731
01:17:28,390 --> 01:17:25,840
jesus a new vision which

1732
01:17:30,790 --> 01:17:28,400
detaches the jesus teaching in

1733
01:17:31,669 --> 01:17:30,800
completely from the christian doctrine

1734
01:17:33,750 --> 01:17:31,679
and shows

1735
01:17:34,709 --> 01:17:33,760
how the teaching works whether you have

1736
01:17:38,550 --> 01:17:34,719
the doctrine

1737
01:17:43,110 --> 01:17:38,560
or not and

1738
01:17:47,270 --> 01:17:43,120
that kind of thing now that i can see

1739
01:17:50,550 --> 01:17:47,280
what jesus did in a very human context

1740
01:17:52,229 --> 01:17:50,560
i know the resurrection happened and i

1741
01:17:55,430 --> 01:17:52,239
know that it was a basically

1742
01:17:58,149 --> 01:17:55,440
an extraordinary human event

1743
01:17:59,030 --> 01:17:58,159
that changes everything for me it

1744
01:18:02,870 --> 01:17:59,040
changes my

1745
01:18:06,790 --> 01:18:02,880
idea of what i am and therefore

1746
01:18:10,950 --> 01:18:06,800
it it causes my experience of et

1747
01:18:14,070 --> 01:18:10,960
to be much larger because i know

1748
01:18:17,990 --> 01:18:14,080
that these entities have an enormously

1749
01:18:21,910 --> 01:18:18,000
sophisticated vision of the soul also

1750
01:18:25,270 --> 01:18:21,920
so we're we're on that level

1751
01:18:28,229 --> 01:18:25,280
we're not desp separate we're all

1752
01:18:30,470 --> 01:18:28,239
humanity some of it is physically like

1753
01:18:31,110 --> 01:18:30,480
us and some of it is not physically like

1754
01:18:34,790 --> 01:18:31,120
us

1755
01:18:37,189 --> 01:18:34,800
but we all share the same journey

1756
01:18:38,149 --> 01:18:37,199
which is ascension into a higher and

1757
01:18:41,189 --> 01:18:38,159
higher

1758
01:18:44,310 --> 01:18:41,199
intensity of consciousness

1759
01:18:45,990 --> 01:18:44,320
and we're all on that path and maybe

1760
01:18:48,070 --> 01:18:46,000
it's an endless path

1761
01:18:49,350 --> 01:18:48,080
but it's an interesting path because it

1762
01:18:52,709 --> 01:18:49,360
never

1763
01:18:55,590 --> 01:18:52,719
lets you down the deeper you go

1764
01:18:57,750 --> 01:18:55,600
and the higher you go the more

1765
01:19:00,950 --> 01:18:57,760
incredible it becomes

1766
01:19:04,070 --> 01:19:00,960
maybe forever there uh

1767
01:19:08,070 --> 01:19:04,080
there was a statement made by

1768
01:19:09,990 --> 01:19:08,080
tom delong on this program back in 2016.

1769
01:19:11,510 --> 01:19:10,000
and it was something that stuck with me

1770
01:19:12,790 --> 01:19:11,520
i was talking about this earlier today

1771
01:19:16,470 --> 01:19:12,800
with chris matthew

1772
01:19:17,990 --> 01:19:16,480
it's something that uh has stuck with me

1773
01:19:20,070 --> 01:19:18,000
and his statement i'm going to

1774
01:19:23,189 --> 01:19:20,080
paraphrase and be very general

1775
01:19:25,189 --> 01:19:23,199
whitley but but his statement was framed

1776
01:19:28,550 --> 01:19:25,199
around the idea

1777
01:19:31,830 --> 01:19:28,560
that there are some very

1778
01:19:32,870 --> 01:19:31,840
religious people in the pentagon and in

1779
01:19:34,950 --> 01:19:32,880
the military

1780
01:19:35,990 --> 01:19:34,960
and in in politics that go to church

1781
01:19:38,709 --> 01:19:36,000
every sunday

1782
01:19:40,630 --> 01:19:38,719
they've been raised a certain way and

1783
01:19:44,310 --> 01:19:40,640
when it comes to

1784
01:19:48,310 --> 01:19:44,320
what they believe um

1785
01:19:51,510 --> 01:19:48,320
some of this contact is is demonic

1786
01:19:54,149 --> 01:19:51,520
and and that some of this

1787
01:19:55,270 --> 01:19:54,159
uh may not have our best intentions in

1788
01:19:57,590 --> 01:19:55,280
play

1789
01:19:59,510 --> 01:19:57,600
and this is their belief system and this

1790
01:20:00,470 --> 01:19:59,520
is the way that they are always going to

1791
01:20:01,910 --> 01:20:00,480
approach this

1792
01:20:03,590 --> 01:20:01,920
i'm speaking about the military and i'm

1793
01:20:06,870 --> 01:20:03,600
speaking about the pentagon

1794
01:20:08,310 --> 01:20:06,880
and i don't know i'm not taking i'm

1795
01:20:11,910 --> 01:20:08,320
going to use the word doctrine

1796
01:20:14,070 --> 01:20:11,920
if i may i'm not going to take tom's

1797
01:20:16,709 --> 01:20:14,080
words or statements as doctrine and as

1798
01:20:19,590 --> 01:20:16,719
fact but it has to be something that we

1799
01:20:21,990 --> 01:20:19,600
we really need to think about that there

1800
01:20:25,510 --> 01:20:22,000
are people in positions of power

1801
01:20:30,070 --> 01:20:25,520
that command divisions of the military

1802
01:20:33,189 --> 01:20:30,080
that believe that e.t could be demonic

1803
01:20:36,310 --> 01:20:33,199
well i think that way back when

1804
01:20:39,430 --> 01:20:36,320
uh there was a fear that

1805
01:20:43,030 --> 01:20:39,440
this was a demonic presence but

1806
01:20:46,229 --> 01:20:43,040
the problem is this anything

1807
01:20:49,510 --> 01:20:46,239
unknown is scary

1808
01:20:50,629 --> 01:20:49,520
therefore we assume demonic and i always

1809
01:20:52,149 --> 01:20:50,639
think to myself

1810
01:20:54,310 --> 01:20:52,159
if you're going to go down that path

1811
01:20:57,350 --> 01:20:54,320
then why not angelic

1812
01:20:59,189 --> 01:20:57,360
uh wouldn't

1813
01:21:00,870 --> 01:20:59,199
and people would say well an angel would

1814
01:21:05,189 --> 01:21:00,880
be beautiful

1815
01:21:07,990 --> 01:21:05,199
but maybe not we don't know that

1816
01:21:11,030 --> 01:21:08,000
we don't know whether the aesthetics of

1817
01:21:14,470 --> 01:21:11,040
the sacred or the same as our aesthetics

1818
01:21:16,950 --> 01:21:14,480
we don't know so you know the

1819
01:21:19,270 --> 01:21:16,960
but keeping an open mind is is one thing

1820
01:21:22,310 --> 01:21:19,280
now i've also heard

1821
01:21:23,510 --> 01:21:22,320
stories of quite horrible things

1822
01:21:26,790 --> 01:21:23,520
happening

1823
01:21:30,550 --> 01:21:26,800
when uh military people

1824
01:21:34,149 --> 01:21:30,560
were ordered to violently confront

1825
01:21:37,189 --> 01:21:34,159
ufos basically i mean you go back to

1826
01:21:38,470 --> 01:21:37,199
to the mantel incident where it's

1827
01:21:41,590 --> 01:21:38,480
captain mantell

1828
01:21:42,470 --> 01:21:41,600
and his flight of mustangs as other

1829
01:21:44,870 --> 01:21:42,480
pilots

1830
01:21:46,390 --> 01:21:44,880
were ordered to intercept attempt to

1831
01:21:48,629 --> 01:21:46,400
intercept

1832
01:21:50,870 --> 01:21:48,639
what appeared to be a ufo hanging over

1833
01:21:53,990 --> 01:21:50,880
their base in kansas

1834
01:21:57,350 --> 01:21:54,000
and something happened to mantel

1835
01:22:00,390 --> 01:21:57,360
uh he i i'm pretty sure he was shot down

1836
01:22:01,030 --> 01:22:00,400
because he got too close he may have may

1837
01:22:03,750 --> 01:22:01,040
have

1838
01:22:04,950 --> 01:22:03,760
attempted to shoot at it i don't know

1839
01:22:07,910 --> 01:22:04,960
but

1840
01:22:09,510 --> 01:22:07,920
i do know this that something was

1841
01:22:12,950 --> 01:22:09,520
covered up

1842
01:22:15,910 --> 01:22:12,960
and the reason i know that is that

1843
01:22:18,550 --> 01:22:15,920
the base commander ended up living

1844
01:22:22,070 --> 01:22:18,560
around the corner from us

1845
01:22:25,110 --> 01:22:22,080
after after he was

1846
01:22:25,830 --> 01:22:25,120
left after he was basically cashiered

1847
01:22:31,590 --> 01:22:25,840
from his

1848
01:22:33,750 --> 01:22:31,600
because of where he was living he was

1849
01:22:35,110 --> 01:22:33,760
being watched over by somebody i'm quite

1850
01:22:37,270 --> 01:22:35,120
sure

1851
01:22:38,310 --> 01:22:37,280
and i knew his kids and we played

1852
01:22:40,629 --> 01:22:38,320
together and i never

1853
01:22:42,229 --> 01:22:40,639
we never talked about flying saucers at

1854
01:22:43,830 --> 01:22:42,239
all i mean we never even thought about

1855
01:22:45,510 --> 01:22:43,840
it we didn't even know about the mantel

1856
01:22:48,550 --> 01:22:45,520
incident of course

1857
01:22:49,830 --> 01:22:48,560
so but he was right there in the same

1858
01:22:53,510 --> 01:22:49,840
place

1859
01:22:55,510 --> 01:22:53,520
colonel guy hicks and i've

1860
01:22:57,030 --> 01:22:55,520
suspected but i can't prove that my

1861
01:22:58,790 --> 01:22:57,040
father might have had something to do

1862
01:23:00,550 --> 01:22:58,800
with watching over him

1863
01:23:02,550 --> 01:23:00,560
i know there was an fbi agent living

1864
01:23:02,950 --> 01:23:02,560
across the street that my dad knew very

1865
01:23:06,390 --> 01:23:02,960
well

1866
01:23:10,310 --> 01:23:06,400
they were friends for years

1867
01:23:13,590 --> 01:23:10,320
so the military

1868
01:23:14,790 --> 01:23:13,600
has had trouble people have been shot at

1869
01:23:18,950 --> 01:23:14,800
i think

1870
01:23:24,229 --> 01:23:18,960
if you

1871
01:23:28,550 --> 01:23:24,239
better expect them to shoot back

1872
01:23:32,470 --> 01:23:31,669
incidents of their proactively attacking

1873
01:23:34,310 --> 01:23:32,480
us

1874
01:23:36,070 --> 01:23:34,320
but there may be that we don't know

1875
01:23:39,110 --> 01:23:36,080
about of course

1876
01:23:42,870 --> 01:23:39,120
of course and uh going uh

1877
01:23:46,830 --> 01:23:42,880
to the uap task force report

1878
01:23:49,669 --> 01:23:46,840
um were you surprised

1879
01:23:50,950 --> 01:23:49,679
because there has been a general

1880
01:23:53,750 --> 01:23:50,960
expectation that

1881
01:23:54,390 --> 01:23:53,760
this report was going to be about e.t

1882
01:23:56,540 --> 01:23:54,400
and

1883
01:23:57,750 --> 01:23:56,550
all of these uh

1884
01:24:00,790 --> 01:23:57,760
[Music]

1885
01:24:03,910 --> 01:24:00,800
views have been projected

1886
01:24:07,510 --> 01:24:03,920
by the department of defense and

1887
01:24:11,830 --> 01:24:07,520
and what this report was to be about

1888
01:24:15,590 --> 01:24:11,840
but they want us to believe

1889
01:24:18,790 --> 01:24:15,600
that there is an interest in et

1890
01:24:21,750 --> 01:24:18,800
but they don't want to say et now why

1891
01:24:22,709 --> 01:24:21,760
why if you are going to project this

1892
01:24:26,149 --> 01:24:22,719
image

1893
01:24:28,390 --> 01:24:26,159
why not just come out and say it

1894
01:24:29,350 --> 01:24:28,400
i think they're being quite truthful

1895
01:24:32,629 --> 01:24:29,360
there

1896
01:24:34,390 --> 01:24:32,639
uh as we started the show out

1897
01:24:36,470 --> 01:24:34,400
i was talking about the fact that we do

1898
01:24:39,910 --> 01:24:36,480
not know what this is

1899
01:24:41,669 --> 01:24:39,920
and i mean you know it

1900
01:24:43,350 --> 01:24:41,679
it looks like one thing but that might

1901
01:24:47,590 --> 01:24:43,360
not be what it is

1902
01:24:49,910 --> 01:24:47,600
it we just don't know well for example

1903
01:24:51,510 --> 01:24:49,920
let's talk a few minutes about time

1904
01:24:54,790 --> 01:24:51,520
travel

1905
01:24:58,709 --> 01:24:54,800
now we know that movement

1906
01:25:02,950 --> 01:24:58,719
through time is possible

1907
01:25:06,310 --> 01:25:02,960
in a certain way according to

1908
01:25:08,550 --> 01:25:06,320
one of the leading theories of reality

1909
01:25:11,350 --> 01:25:08,560
called the block universe theory

1910
01:25:14,790 --> 01:25:11,360
essentially everything that happens

1911
01:25:17,350 --> 01:25:14,800
that the the moment the current moment

1912
01:25:20,390 --> 01:25:17,360
is a kind of wave front moving forward

1913
01:25:23,669 --> 01:25:20,400
leaving behind it an incredibly

1914
01:25:27,030 --> 01:25:23,679
detailed record of

1915
01:25:31,110 --> 01:25:27,040
everything that happened happens

1916
01:25:31,990 --> 01:25:31,120
now conceivably and the math there's no

1917
01:25:33,910 --> 01:25:32,000
math that

1918
01:25:35,110 --> 01:25:33,920
we can see that would prevent this from

1919
01:25:39,030 --> 01:25:35,120
happening

1920
01:25:42,149 --> 01:25:39,040
you can go back into the past

1921
01:25:45,430 --> 01:25:42,159
you obviously can't affect it though

1922
01:25:49,430 --> 01:25:45,440
you can't do anything to it or

1923
01:25:52,830 --> 01:25:49,440
can you there's something called

1924
01:25:56,070 --> 01:25:52,840
the principle of least action

1925
01:25:58,709 --> 01:25:56,080
where that means that water flowing down

1926
01:26:02,070 --> 01:25:58,719
a hillside is never going to

1927
01:26:03,350 --> 01:26:02,080
take a detour to look at the view it's

1928
01:26:07,750 --> 01:26:03,360
always going to go

1929
01:26:10,390 --> 01:26:07,760
take this the path of least resistance

1930
01:26:11,510 --> 01:26:10,400
that's the fundamental reality of nature

1931
01:26:14,149 --> 01:26:11,520
and it's also

1932
01:26:15,430 --> 01:26:14,159
why what is called the grandfather

1933
01:26:17,270 --> 01:26:15,440
paradox where you

1934
01:26:19,030 --> 01:26:17,280
can't go back in time and kill your own

1935
01:26:22,550 --> 01:26:19,040
grandfather

1936
01:26:25,990 --> 01:26:22,560
will prevent you will not prevent you

1937
01:26:28,149 --> 01:26:26,000
from going back in time you can go back

1938
01:26:32,310 --> 01:26:28,159
in time

1939
01:26:35,189 --> 01:26:32,320
now however is it possible

1940
01:26:36,149 --> 01:26:35,199
that if you created something that

1941
01:26:40,229 --> 01:26:36,159
didn't exist

1942
01:26:43,430 --> 01:26:40,239
at all that had never existed

1943
01:26:44,790 --> 01:26:43,440
and sent that back in time as kind of a

1944
01:26:48,470 --> 01:26:44,800
probe

1945
01:26:51,189 --> 01:26:48,480
to interact with your own past

1946
01:26:54,310 --> 01:26:51,199
that you could change your present and

1947
01:26:57,430 --> 01:26:54,320
is that why et is so strange looking

1948
01:27:01,189 --> 01:26:57,440
it's us from the future trying to

1949
01:27:02,629 --> 01:27:01,199
trick their our own past into making

1950
01:27:06,629 --> 01:27:02,639
changes that we need

1951
01:27:08,709 --> 01:27:06,639
for whatever reason see how weird this

1952
01:27:09,910 --> 01:27:08,719
can get and oh it can get a lot weirder

1953
01:27:12,950 --> 01:27:09,920
than that jimmy

1954
01:27:14,149 --> 01:27:12,960
i can go down some very unusual paths

1955
01:27:17,750 --> 01:27:14,159
here

1956
01:27:20,550 --> 01:27:17,760
and believe me

1957
01:27:22,229 --> 01:27:20,560
i can get you to the point where you

1958
01:27:23,830 --> 01:27:22,239
don't know any more than i do what's

1959
01:27:25,830 --> 01:27:23,840
really happening

1960
01:27:27,830 --> 01:27:25,840
for the pentagon they're just being

1961
01:27:30,070 --> 01:27:27,840
truthful and realistic i think and i'm

1962
01:27:32,229 --> 01:27:30,080
not defending them don't get me wrong

1963
01:27:35,270 --> 01:27:32,239
when they say that they want to call

1964
01:27:37,270 --> 01:27:35,280
them uaps instead of ufos

1965
01:27:39,110 --> 01:27:37,280
because they don't actually know what

1966
01:27:43,590 --> 01:27:39,120
the they are

1967
01:27:47,270 --> 01:27:43,600
uh uh unknown aerial phenomena

1968
01:27:49,430 --> 01:27:47,280
rather than unknown flying objects

1969
01:27:50,629 --> 01:27:49,440
they look like flying objects but we've

1970
01:27:53,990 --> 01:27:50,639
never

1971
01:27:54,790 --> 01:27:54,000
at least publicly we don't have any

1972
01:27:57,590 --> 01:27:54,800
evidence

1973
01:28:00,229 --> 01:27:57,600
of having one in our hands although i do

1974
01:28:04,310 --> 01:28:00,239
believe we probably do have some

1975
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intact ones and i do believe that

1976
01:28:09,110 --> 01:28:07,520
in fact i know we have metal and other

1977
01:28:11,510 --> 01:28:09,120
anomalous debris that has been

1978
01:28:14,470 --> 01:28:11,520
extensively studied

1979
01:28:14,950 --> 01:28:14,480
i know that but does that mean it's from

1980
01:28:18,229 --> 01:28:14,960
e.t

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or not that i don't know

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when when we come back after the break

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um

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i want to uh not only continue this

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discussion

1986
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but if it if the government knows

1987
01:28:34,709 --> 01:28:34,400
that this may not be extraterrestrial

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like

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outside of our solar system and that it

1990
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is

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uh it's local it's us from the future

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what would that ultimately mean and

1993
01:28:51,669 --> 01:28:49,520
and that type of disclosure uh

1994
01:28:54,629 --> 01:28:51,679
coming at us i think that would have a

1995
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pretty significant impact on the world

1996
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versus life out there in the universe

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and i want to continue this discussion

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when we come back our guest tonight

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whitley strieber

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great conversation great start to the

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show i am your host jimmy church

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tomorrow night mark sims wednesday night

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peter robbins tonight it's whitley

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strieber more with whitley after this

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way out here we listen to jimmy church

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host jimmy church tonight whitley

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strieber

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is here more with whitley in just a

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2139
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all right all right i've spoken my piece

2140
01:35:34,229 --> 01:35:30,000
whitley strieber okay whitley what is

2141
01:35:37,030 --> 01:35:34,239
what is worse that we find out

2142
01:35:37,350 --> 01:35:37,040
that we are alone in the universe it's

2143
01:35:41,270 --> 01:35:37,360
not

2144
01:35:45,030 --> 01:35:41,280
e.t it's time travelers from the future

2145
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or that we are

2146
01:35:48,790 --> 01:35:48,239
making friends with e.t right what i

2147
01:35:51,669 --> 01:35:48,800
mean i

2148
01:35:52,629 --> 01:35:51,679
i think the world would nearly lose

2149
01:35:56,390 --> 01:35:52,639
their minds

2150
01:35:59,510 --> 01:35:56,400
if they found out and we were told

2151
01:36:04,310 --> 01:35:59,520
that we are all that there is right

2152
01:36:07,510 --> 01:36:04,320
i mean that would be that would be

2153
01:36:08,470 --> 01:36:07,520
really extraordinary and really i agree

2154
01:36:13,109 --> 01:36:08,480
with you

2155
01:36:16,070 --> 01:36:13,119
frightening because the problem is

2156
01:36:17,590 --> 01:36:16,080
the universe is really really big you

2157
01:36:20,229 --> 01:36:17,600
know one of the rarest

2158
01:36:22,470 --> 01:36:20,239
things in the universe if you compare it

2159
01:36:22,950 --> 01:36:22,480
to the number of stars and planets that

2160
01:36:26,870 --> 01:36:22,960
we know

2161
01:36:29,189 --> 01:36:26,880
exist a grain of sand

2162
01:36:30,550 --> 01:36:29,199
a grain of sand compared to the number

2163
01:36:32,870 --> 01:36:30,560
of stars

2164
01:36:35,030 --> 01:36:32,880
and in particular the number of planets

2165
01:36:37,669 --> 01:36:35,040
if the distribution of planets

2166
01:36:39,669 --> 01:36:37,679
is consistent across the whole universe

2167
01:36:41,270 --> 01:36:39,679
and there's no reason

2168
01:36:45,189 --> 01:36:41,280
it shouldn't be in every reason to think

2169
01:36:49,030 --> 01:36:45,199
it is then a grain of earthly sand

2170
01:36:51,430 --> 01:36:49,040
is incredibly rare because

2171
01:36:52,870 --> 01:36:51,440
there is so little sand compared to the

2172
01:36:55,990 --> 01:36:52,880
number of stars

2173
01:37:00,070 --> 01:36:56,000
let alone the number of planets now

2174
01:37:06,709 --> 01:37:03,350
that much effort

2175
01:37:10,149 --> 01:37:06,719
to create one living planet

2176
01:37:12,390 --> 01:37:10,159
then you know he does or she or it

2177
01:37:14,790 --> 01:37:12,400
does definitely need help here i mean i

2178
01:37:17,350 --> 01:37:14,800
you know there's

2179
01:37:18,470 --> 01:37:17,360
this is a this is an awful lot of work

2180
01:37:21,830 --> 01:37:18,480
for a very

2181
01:37:25,189 --> 01:37:21,840
very tiny result and

2182
01:37:27,990 --> 01:37:25,199
uh i don't believe that's the case

2183
01:37:28,629 --> 01:37:28,000
i think i'll tell you what i think and i

2184
01:37:30,470 --> 01:37:28,639
have not

2185
01:37:31,910 --> 01:37:30,480
really i don't really talk about this

2186
01:37:33,430 --> 01:37:31,920
very much but i think what's going on

2187
01:37:36,950 --> 01:37:33,440
here is this

2188
01:37:40,149 --> 01:37:36,960
there are planets that generate

2189
01:37:42,870 --> 01:37:40,159
life and

2190
01:37:44,950 --> 01:37:42,880
they eventually some of them generate

2191
01:37:46,950 --> 01:37:44,960
life forms that have

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01:37:49,510 --> 01:37:46,960
consciousness that is to say they are

2193
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self-reflective

2194
01:37:56,790 --> 01:37:53,440
and moving through time

2195
01:37:59,750 --> 01:37:56,800
and this is an

2196
01:38:00,390 --> 01:37:59,760
unusual state of consciousness i think

2197
01:38:03,669 --> 01:38:00,400
we're

2198
01:38:06,149 --> 01:38:03,679
consciousness i think

2199
01:38:08,149 --> 01:38:06,159
most consciousness is extra temporal

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01:38:10,550 --> 01:38:08,159
it's outside of time

2201
01:38:11,510 --> 01:38:10,560
and probably when it's moving through

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01:38:13,750 --> 01:38:11,520
time and

2203
01:38:15,109 --> 01:38:13,760
and there's someone in a state where

2204
01:38:18,950 --> 01:38:15,119
everything is always

2205
01:38:22,709 --> 01:38:18,960
new it's probably something

2206
01:38:27,270 --> 01:38:22,719
very desired like like a very

2207
01:38:29,669 --> 01:38:27,280
beautiful gem or something like that

2208
01:38:30,709 --> 01:38:29,679
that we're in that sense we're unusual

2209
01:38:32,950 --> 01:38:30,719
and they're probably

2210
01:38:34,149 --> 01:38:32,960
little planets dotted here and there

2211
01:38:36,390 --> 01:38:34,159
around the universe

2212
01:38:37,189 --> 01:38:36,400
but not many and maybe fewer than we

2213
01:38:40,229 --> 01:38:37,199
think

2214
01:38:44,310 --> 01:38:40,239
and let me tell you why i say that

2215
01:38:47,510 --> 01:38:44,320
because this is earth is a life

2216
01:38:51,030 --> 01:38:47,520
creating machine it

2217
01:38:54,070 --> 01:38:51,040
it was probably designed by somebody

2218
01:38:57,270 --> 01:38:54,080
who who wanted to draw a life

2219
01:38:59,270 --> 01:38:57,280
out of the planet now why why

2220
01:39:01,430 --> 01:38:59,280
why would that be true well if you look

2221
01:39:05,669 --> 01:39:01,440
at the way the solar system is

2222
01:39:09,189 --> 01:39:05,679
constructed uh the gas giants

2223
01:39:11,270 --> 01:39:09,199
absorb most of the debris from outer

2224
01:39:12,950 --> 01:39:11,280
space

2225
01:39:14,950 --> 01:39:12,960
they don't reach the inner stoney

2226
01:39:16,229 --> 01:39:14,960
planets which is why our planet isn't a

2227
01:39:17,830 --> 01:39:16,239
bunch of rubble

2228
01:39:19,350 --> 01:39:17,840
but if you look up at the moon there are

2229
01:39:22,470 --> 01:39:19,360
a lot of craters there

2230
01:39:26,149 --> 01:39:22,480
why because the debris

2231
01:39:29,910 --> 01:39:26,159
that does reach the inner solar system

2232
01:39:31,830 --> 01:39:29,920
in our case on our planet

2233
01:39:33,350 --> 01:39:31,840
with the moon orbiting it it's most of

2234
01:39:34,709 --> 01:39:33,360
it's going to hit the moon rather than

2235
01:39:38,950 --> 01:39:34,719
the earth

2236
01:39:39,350 --> 01:39:38,960
incredibly rare they happen of course so

2237
01:39:42,629 --> 01:39:39,360
the

2238
01:39:45,669 --> 01:39:42,639
dinosaurs would still be around

2239
01:39:46,070 --> 01:39:45,679
but they're rare now look at another

2240
01:39:47,910 --> 01:39:46,080
thing

2241
01:39:50,070 --> 01:39:47,920
when we have a solar eclipse we don't

2242
01:39:52,830 --> 01:39:50,080
even think twice about

2243
01:39:56,070 --> 01:39:52,840
something about it that is incredibly

2244
01:40:00,709 --> 01:39:56,080
strange when the moon

2245
01:40:03,189 --> 01:40:00,719
occludes the sun it does it perfectly

2246
01:40:04,390 --> 01:40:03,199
it's a it's in exactly the right

2247
01:40:08,709 --> 01:40:04,400
position

2248
01:40:13,030 --> 01:40:08,719
to occlude the sun precisely

2249
01:40:15,350 --> 01:40:13,040
why because was it put there is it even

2250
01:40:18,709 --> 01:40:15,360
a natural object

2251
01:40:21,669 --> 01:40:18,719
we don't know that but you add

2252
01:40:23,350 --> 01:40:21,679
all of these things up together and it

2253
01:40:25,910 --> 01:40:23,360
begins to look like

2254
01:40:28,310 --> 01:40:25,920
oh and another thing the moon does is it

2255
01:40:30,550 --> 01:40:28,320
slows down the rotation of the earth

2256
01:40:32,310 --> 01:40:30,560
so there's not a high level rotational

2257
01:40:34,229 --> 01:40:32,320
wind blowing all the time

2258
01:40:35,750 --> 01:40:34,239
instead we have weather and we have

2259
01:40:39,510 --> 01:40:35,760
climate here

2260
01:40:41,830 --> 01:40:39,520
and that's because of the moon so

2261
01:40:43,030 --> 01:40:41,840
did someone put all this to this puzzle

2262
01:40:45,590 --> 01:40:43,040
together

2263
01:40:46,310 --> 01:40:45,600
in order to draw life out of the planet

2264
01:40:49,910 --> 01:40:46,320
earth

2265
01:40:50,470 --> 01:40:49,920
is there someone with a vast scale of

2266
01:40:53,669 --> 01:40:50,480
time

2267
01:40:56,149 --> 01:40:53,679
to deal with hundreds of millions or

2268
01:41:00,149 --> 01:40:56,159
even billions of years

2269
01:41:04,430 --> 01:41:00,159
and when we see these strange creatures

2270
01:41:06,830 --> 01:41:04,440
with their penetrating brilliant

2271
01:41:08,790 --> 01:41:06,840
immeasurably challenging and

2272
01:41:11,830 --> 01:41:08,800
immeasurably

2273
01:41:15,830 --> 01:41:11,840
haunted eyes are we

2274
01:41:19,430 --> 01:41:15,840
seeing not just our creators

2275
01:41:23,189 --> 01:41:19,440
but the creators and if so

2276
01:41:27,189 --> 01:41:23,199
jimmy where did they come from

2277
01:41:30,470 --> 01:41:27,199
and what will it be like to sit down

2278
01:41:33,590 --> 01:41:30,480
across a table from them

2279
01:41:36,470 --> 01:41:33,600
well okay

2280
01:41:38,070 --> 01:41:36,480
so well said but let me back up to what

2281
01:41:40,470 --> 01:41:38,080
you said earlier

2282
01:41:43,510 --> 01:41:40,480
about uh playing poker right and

2283
01:41:46,790 --> 01:41:43,520
shuffling that deck of cards

2284
01:41:49,270 --> 01:41:46,800
the the universe being

2285
01:41:50,149 --> 01:41:49,280
as large as it is as a matter of fact

2286
01:41:56,629 --> 01:41:50,159
it's

2287
01:41:58,550 --> 01:41:56,639
galaxies are dropping off the observable

2288
01:42:00,550 --> 01:41:58,560
universe every day at the speed of light

2289
01:42:03,109 --> 01:42:00,560
we don't even know

2290
01:42:04,310 --> 01:42:03,119
uh what is actually out there but that

2291
01:42:06,950 --> 01:42:04,320
being said

2292
01:42:08,310 --> 01:42:06,960
that shuffling of the deck of cards

2293
01:42:11,109 --> 01:42:08,320
every time

2294
01:42:12,149 --> 01:42:11,119
you deal out a hand around that poker

2295
01:42:14,229 --> 01:42:12,159
table

2296
01:42:15,350 --> 01:42:14,239
and you look at your cards and then you

2297
01:42:17,669 --> 01:42:15,360
pick up the cards

2298
01:42:18,870 --> 01:42:17,679
and then you shuffle them again how long

2299
01:42:23,109 --> 01:42:18,880
will it take you

2300
01:42:27,189 --> 01:42:23,119
to deal out an identical hand well

2301
01:42:31,270 --> 01:42:27,199
it's going to happen and the same thing

2302
01:42:34,470 --> 01:42:31,280
is present with chemistry

2303
01:42:38,550 --> 01:42:34,480
the the the deck gets shuffled

2304
01:42:41,990 --> 01:42:38,560
but those particles those atoms combine

2305
01:42:44,310 --> 01:42:42,000
a certain way and they will recombine

2306
01:42:46,870 --> 01:42:44,320
just like that deck gets shuffled and

2307
01:42:49,830 --> 01:42:46,880
you deal out an identical

2308
01:42:50,950 --> 01:42:49,840
hand it's happening throughout the

2309
01:42:54,470 --> 01:42:50,960
universe

2310
01:42:57,270 --> 01:42:54,480
there is a duplicate out there

2311
01:42:59,910 --> 01:42:57,280
and with the size of the universe there

2312
01:43:03,750 --> 01:42:59,920
has to be there has to be

2313
01:43:06,709 --> 01:43:03,760
hundreds of billions of earths

2314
01:43:08,470 --> 01:43:06,719
with intelligent life on it it's just a

2315
01:43:11,510 --> 01:43:08,480
numbers game whitley

2316
01:43:14,550 --> 01:43:11,520
well exactly but that but the thing is

2317
01:43:15,350 --> 01:43:14,560
say there are a hundred billion that is

2318
01:43:18,709 --> 01:43:15,360
still

2319
01:43:22,149 --> 01:43:18,719
an incredibly tiny number

2320
01:43:25,830 --> 01:43:22,159
in this universe tiny it's

2321
01:43:28,870 --> 01:43:25,840
minuscule if there are a hundred billion

2322
01:43:30,550 --> 01:43:28,880
there might be one in every fifty

2323
01:43:34,550 --> 01:43:30,560
thousand or hundred thousand

2324
01:43:37,350 --> 01:43:34,560
galaxies one

2325
01:43:38,709 --> 01:43:37,360
it's that small yes it is that big and

2326
01:43:41,830 --> 01:43:38,719
that number is that small

2327
01:43:43,669 --> 01:43:41,840
right and so let's let's let's shift

2328
01:43:46,470 --> 01:43:43,679
this again

2329
01:43:48,550 --> 01:43:46,480
if we look at our milky way that has got

2330
01:43:51,750 --> 01:43:48,560
somewhere between 500 billion

2331
01:43:54,070 --> 01:43:51,760
and a trillion stars in it

2332
01:43:55,430 --> 01:43:54,080
and we are mapping it every day we now

2333
01:43:58,950 --> 01:43:55,440
know that

2334
01:44:00,070 --> 01:43:58,960
every single star has got a planet or

2335
01:44:03,030 --> 01:44:00,080
two or ten

2336
01:44:04,790 --> 01:44:03,040
next to it right and and playing that

2337
01:44:07,149 --> 01:44:04,800
numbers game again

2338
01:44:09,189 --> 01:44:07,159
where uh astronomers today

2339
01:44:12,390 --> 01:44:09,199
astrophysicists today

2340
01:44:16,149 --> 01:44:12,400
um the the accepted number

2341
01:44:20,229 --> 01:44:16,159
in our milky way is 20

2342
01:44:22,149 --> 01:44:20,239
billion to 40 billion earth-like planets

2343
01:44:25,270 --> 01:44:22,159
in the goldilocks zone

2344
01:44:26,790 --> 01:44:25,280
just in our milky way again the number

2345
01:44:28,310 --> 01:44:26,800
has to be more than just in the

2346
01:44:32,390 --> 01:44:28,320
goldilocks zone

2347
01:44:36,229 --> 01:44:32,400
it has to have the same structure as

2348
01:44:38,390 --> 01:44:36,239
our solar system or it's very unlikely

2349
01:44:39,990 --> 01:44:38,400
that high higher life forms are going to

2350
01:44:43,189 --> 01:44:40,000
be able to involve

2351
01:44:45,510 --> 01:44:43,199
evolve because the planets

2352
01:44:47,910 --> 01:44:45,520
going to be too violent it's going to be

2353
01:44:51,109 --> 01:44:47,920
exposed to too much

2354
01:44:52,950 --> 01:44:51,119
to too much external disruption and in

2355
01:44:58,229 --> 01:44:52,960
addition to that

2356
01:45:01,669 --> 01:44:58,239
most stars that are similar to our sun

2357
01:45:04,550 --> 01:45:01,679
blow off huge life

2358
01:45:06,070 --> 01:45:04,560
destroying solar flares every few

2359
01:45:09,669 --> 01:45:06,080
thousand years

2360
01:45:12,629 --> 01:45:09,679
we know our sun doesn't because

2361
01:45:14,149 --> 01:45:12,639
look at how long life has been here most

2362
01:45:17,350 --> 01:45:14,159
of those planets

2363
01:45:20,149 --> 01:45:17,360
are sterile believe me it's true they

2364
01:45:28,229 --> 01:45:24,629
the uh uh the size of everything

2365
01:45:29,109 --> 01:45:28,239
the way that um i i choose to look at

2366
01:45:32,550 --> 01:45:29,119
this

2367
01:45:33,109 --> 01:45:32,560
is that chemistry is chemistry atoms are

2368
01:45:36,629 --> 01:45:33,119
atoms

2369
01:45:39,590 --> 01:45:36,639
particles are particles and we know

2370
01:45:40,310 --> 01:45:39,600
that they can only combine so many

2371
01:45:42,390 --> 01:45:40,320
different ways

2372
01:45:44,470 --> 01:45:42,400
that's it it's a finite number it's not

2373
01:45:45,750 --> 01:45:44,480
an infinite number and we have

2374
01:45:49,430 --> 01:45:45,760
meteorites

2375
01:45:52,870 --> 01:45:49,440
uh that uh are arriving

2376
01:45:55,990 --> 01:45:52,880
on this planet uh one very recently

2377
01:45:56,470 --> 01:45:56,000
that had bleeping amino acids on it that

2378
01:46:01,430 --> 01:45:56,480
had

2379
01:46:04,950 --> 01:46:01,440
the sugars of rna

2380
01:46:07,430 --> 01:46:04,960
distributing around the milky way

2381
01:46:08,310 --> 01:46:07,440
and and the universe this isn't uh

2382
01:46:12,229 --> 01:46:08,320
something that is

2383
01:46:14,390 --> 01:46:12,239
um uncommon that the the the very

2384
01:46:15,910 --> 01:46:14,400
fundamentals of life are being carried

2385
01:46:18,550 --> 01:46:15,920
around on rocks

2386
01:46:19,830 --> 01:46:18,560
right well you know we're talking about

2387
01:46:20,950 --> 01:46:19,840
what we're going to be talking about and

2388
01:46:24,709 --> 01:46:20,960
making contact

2389
01:46:27,990 --> 01:46:24,719
actually that's all but but

2390
01:46:28,790 --> 01:46:28,000
this is important stuff because when we

2391
01:46:31,590 --> 01:46:28,800
do

2392
01:46:33,350 --> 01:46:31,600
meet i mean there's somebody here

2393
01:46:35,590 --> 01:46:33,360
there's no question in my mind about

2394
01:46:37,350 --> 01:46:35,600
that there is some

2395
01:46:38,790 --> 01:46:37,360
lived with them for years now and

2396
01:46:41,910 --> 01:46:38,800
they've they have

2397
01:46:44,709 --> 01:46:41,920
roughed me up they have frightened me

2398
01:46:45,669 --> 01:46:44,719
they have enlightened me they have

2399
01:46:47,910 --> 01:46:45,679
changed me

2400
01:46:50,470 --> 01:46:47,920
in every way i think a person can be

2401
01:46:53,590 --> 01:46:50,480
changed

2402
01:46:56,070 --> 01:46:53,600
mostly for the better because right now

2403
01:46:59,590 --> 01:46:56,080
am i scared of them no

2404
01:47:03,310 --> 01:46:59,600
am i uh do i hate them

2405
01:47:05,830 --> 01:47:03,320
absolutely not have they

2406
01:47:07,109 --> 01:47:05,840
revolutionized my relationship to

2407
01:47:10,390 --> 01:47:07,119
consciousness

2408
01:47:13,669 --> 01:47:10,400
oh yes have they made me

2409
01:47:17,510 --> 01:47:13,679
understand the universe and

2410
01:47:17,990 --> 01:47:17,520
them and myself and us more profoundly

2411
01:47:19,750 --> 01:47:18,000
than i

2412
01:47:22,790 --> 01:47:19,760
would ever have thought possible before

2413
01:47:25,910 --> 01:47:22,800
i met them yes they have

2414
01:47:27,910 --> 01:47:25,920
and that's i think i i think that

2415
01:47:29,350 --> 01:47:27,920
many of the close encounter witnesses

2416
01:47:31,750 --> 01:47:29,360
listening to this right now

2417
01:47:33,669 --> 01:47:31,760
are nodding their heads and saying yes

2418
01:47:36,310 --> 01:47:33,679
that's what happened to me too

2419
01:47:38,950 --> 01:47:36,320
because you talk about contact it's

2420
01:47:40,790 --> 01:47:38,960
going to be a trajectory

2421
01:47:42,790 --> 01:47:40,800
we the close encounter people have

2422
01:47:45,430 --> 01:47:42,800
already been on that trajectory you've

2423
01:47:47,510 --> 01:47:45,440
been on that trajectory

2424
01:47:48,870 --> 01:47:47,520
now what do we do when the public has to

2425
01:47:53,030 --> 01:47:48,880
get on the same

2426
01:47:56,070 --> 01:47:53,040
the same roller coaster and the military

2427
01:47:58,629 --> 01:47:56,080
who are already scared of the visitors

2428
01:47:59,830 --> 01:47:58,639
and already fear they are demonic in

2429
01:48:02,870 --> 01:47:59,840
some way

2430
01:48:04,790 --> 01:48:02,880
have to get on that roller coaster too

2431
01:48:05,990 --> 01:48:04,800
and they gonna get on it they're all

2432
01:48:09,669 --> 01:48:06,000
gonna get on it

2433
01:48:12,229 --> 01:48:09,679
if this thing unfolds and becomes

2434
01:48:14,149 --> 01:48:12,239
a publicly accessible and visible

2435
01:48:17,510 --> 01:48:14,159
phenomenon in some way

2436
01:48:19,189 --> 01:48:17,520
if et in effect lands then that's going

2437
01:48:21,270 --> 01:48:19,199
to happen and especially if

2438
01:48:22,390 --> 01:48:21,280
what if some of the things that people

2439
01:48:26,629 --> 01:48:22,400
believe

2440
01:48:29,189 --> 01:48:26,639
in all these different species

2441
01:48:30,149 --> 01:48:29,199
but that doesn't mean they're not here i

2442
01:48:32,390 --> 01:48:30,159
could be

2443
01:48:35,030 --> 01:48:32,400
it just means i haven't seen them i've

2444
01:48:37,030 --> 01:48:35,040
seen three species

2445
01:48:39,189 --> 01:48:37,040
and but were they even different species

2446
01:48:43,990 --> 01:48:39,199
then i don't know

2447
01:48:47,430 --> 01:48:44,000
however what if the flatwoods monster

2448
01:48:50,550 --> 01:48:47,440
was a spacesuit in which

2449
01:48:54,550 --> 01:48:50,560
there was a seven foot tall

2450
01:48:57,750 --> 01:48:54,560
something or other and it had a tail

2451
01:49:01,270 --> 01:48:57,760
because there was a tail on the thing

2452
01:49:05,750 --> 01:49:01,280
what what if that comes walking out

2453
01:49:09,470 --> 01:49:05,760
and the public is told okay et's here

2454
01:49:12,709 --> 01:49:09,480
it's a scaly seven foot tall

2455
01:49:14,709 --> 01:49:12,719
monstrosity it's very aggressive and

2456
01:49:16,470 --> 01:49:14,719
it's liable to end up in your bedroom in

2457
01:49:18,550 --> 01:49:16,480
the middle of the night

2458
01:49:20,790 --> 01:49:18,560
now people are not going to be

2459
01:49:23,910 --> 01:49:20,800
comfortable with that at all

2460
01:49:28,229 --> 01:49:23,920
i i don't think do you i mean no

2461
01:49:33,030 --> 01:49:28,239
no they're probably

2462
01:49:36,709 --> 01:49:33,040
okay you know going back to chemistry

2463
01:49:40,149 --> 01:49:36,719
and and dna and

2464
01:49:43,270 --> 01:49:40,159
just what makes sense our bodies

2465
01:49:44,229 --> 01:49:43,280
whitley you know our brain two eyes two

2466
01:49:47,189 --> 01:49:44,239
ears

2467
01:49:48,310 --> 01:49:47,199
ten fingers ten toes two legs uh it

2468
01:49:51,990 --> 01:49:48,320
makes a lot of sense

2469
01:49:55,030 --> 01:49:52,000
it's a pretty good put together machine

2470
01:49:58,950 --> 01:49:55,040
right it's allowed us to do what we've

2471
01:50:02,629 --> 01:49:58,960
accomplished that same

2472
01:50:04,310 --> 01:50:02,639
that same general build

2473
01:50:05,910 --> 01:50:04,320
i think would make a lot of sense

2474
01:50:08,709 --> 01:50:05,920
anywhere in the universe

2475
01:50:09,350 --> 01:50:08,719
right that that dna right now what would

2476
01:50:12,470 --> 01:50:09,360
affect

2477
01:50:13,109 --> 01:50:12,480
the differences gravity right less

2478
01:50:19,510 --> 01:50:13,119
gravity

2479
01:50:21,189 --> 01:50:19,520
there's these things but the

2480
01:50:22,709 --> 01:50:21,199
descriptions from people

2481
01:50:25,270 --> 01:50:22,719
and you know like yourself you know with

2482
01:50:28,870 --> 01:50:25,280
the grays and

2483
01:50:31,669 --> 01:50:28,880
tom anatomically very similar to us

2484
01:50:32,709 --> 01:50:31,679
with those differences wouldn't we

2485
01:50:35,750 --> 01:50:32,719
understand

2486
01:50:36,709 --> 01:50:35,760
that wouldn't wouldn't we be okay just

2487
01:50:38,950 --> 01:50:36,719
as long as

2488
01:50:41,669 --> 01:50:38,960
they're not you know biting our heads

2489
01:50:43,669 --> 01:50:41,679
off and and eating us

2490
01:50:46,390 --> 01:50:43,679
right i think oh yeah you remember that

2491
01:50:49,589 --> 01:50:46,400
outer limit sex

2492
01:50:52,629 --> 01:50:49,599
it's a cookbook yes man

2493
01:50:54,629 --> 01:50:52,639
how to serve man

2494
01:50:56,870 --> 01:50:54,639
that was one of the great all-time

2495
01:50:57,430 --> 01:50:56,880
greatest science fiction tv episodes in

2496
01:51:01,109 --> 01:50:57,440
history

2497
01:51:05,669 --> 01:51:01,119
yes yes but wouldn't we wouldn't we

2498
01:51:11,270 --> 01:51:08,310
well i don't i think it's important to

2499
01:51:14,629 --> 01:51:11,280
try to put our expectations aside

2500
01:51:18,310 --> 01:51:14,639
and to just be open to what is

2501
01:51:19,189 --> 01:51:18,320
it what is you said earlier you talked

2502
01:51:21,270 --> 01:51:19,199
about how

2503
01:51:23,109 --> 01:51:21,280
you know if you see something you're

2504
01:51:24,870 --> 01:51:23,119
gonna you're gonna believe what you see

2505
01:51:27,990 --> 01:51:24,880
what your eyes are telling you

2506
01:51:31,510 --> 01:51:28,000
i i can easily show you how that is

2507
01:51:34,070 --> 01:51:31,520
a mistake that you actually can't tell

2508
01:51:36,390 --> 01:51:34,080
what you're seeing you can't tell if

2509
01:51:38,550 --> 01:51:36,400
what you're seeing is what's there

2510
01:51:40,229 --> 01:51:38,560
um i can i can demonstrate it very

2511
01:51:42,550 --> 01:51:40,239
simply how so

2512
01:51:44,310 --> 01:51:42,560
well uh there's i think i've talked

2513
01:51:45,510 --> 01:51:44,320
about this on your show before so stop

2514
01:51:47,830 --> 01:51:45,520
me if i have

2515
01:51:49,669 --> 01:51:47,840
something called the gettier paradox

2516
01:51:51,830 --> 01:51:49,679
getting a paradox

2517
01:51:52,950 --> 01:51:51,840
no but we talked about it two weeks ago

2518
01:51:56,229 --> 01:51:52,960
go ahead

2519
01:52:00,629 --> 01:51:56,239
oh okay but not on your show no okay

2520
01:52:02,629 --> 01:52:00,639
all right so well here's the paradox um

2521
01:52:03,910 --> 01:52:02,639
it's possible to be right and wrong at

2522
01:52:06,790 --> 01:52:03,920
the same time

2523
01:52:08,550 --> 01:52:06,800
and not know it in fact that is the

2524
01:52:11,270 --> 01:52:08,560
human condition

2525
01:52:13,270 --> 01:52:11,280
and here's the little philosophical game

2526
01:52:15,589 --> 01:52:13,280
that shows how that's true

2527
01:52:17,270 --> 01:52:15,599
a farmer has a cow that he thinks may be

2528
01:52:20,310 --> 01:52:17,280
ill

2529
01:52:21,270 --> 01:52:20,320
a heifer a holstein she's black and

2530
01:52:24,550 --> 01:52:21,280
white

2531
01:52:26,470 --> 01:52:24,560
he puts her in a field by herself

2532
01:52:27,910 --> 01:52:26,480
there are only two features in this

2533
01:52:30,950 --> 01:52:27,920
field a tree

2534
01:52:32,629 --> 01:52:30,960
and a hollow if the cow is in the hollow

2535
01:52:34,550 --> 01:52:32,639
he won't be able to see her

2536
01:52:36,070 --> 01:52:34,560
but it he knows he won't she won't

2537
01:52:37,510 --> 01:52:36,080
linger in the hollow along so he's not

2538
01:52:39,430 --> 01:52:37,520
worried about that and he can see her if

2539
01:52:41,750 --> 01:52:39,440
she's under the tree

2540
01:52:43,510 --> 01:52:41,760
so he's working in his barn and he's

2541
01:52:45,910 --> 01:52:43,520
watching her every once in a while he

2542
01:52:49,030 --> 01:52:45,920
looks up and he sees her standing in the

2543
01:52:52,070 --> 01:52:49,040
field and knows she's okay

2544
01:52:54,790 --> 01:52:52,080
however when he's working in this barn

2545
01:52:55,910 --> 01:52:54,800
a piece of black and white paper blows

2546
01:52:58,870 --> 01:52:55,920
into

2547
01:53:01,270 --> 01:52:58,880
the field and gets stuck under the tree

2548
01:53:04,790 --> 01:53:01,280
big piece of plate paper

2549
01:53:06,870 --> 01:53:04,800
and he glances into the field

2550
01:53:07,830 --> 01:53:06,880
sees the black and white paper under the

2551
01:53:10,070 --> 01:53:07,840
tree

2552
01:53:12,950 --> 01:53:10,080
and thinks to himself my cow is okay

2553
01:53:16,550 --> 01:53:12,960
she's taking the shade under the tree

2554
01:53:19,189 --> 01:53:16,560
he's wrong his cow is not under the tree

2555
01:53:21,189 --> 01:53:19,199
but he's right his cow is in the hollow

2556
01:53:24,629 --> 01:53:21,199
and she is okay

2557
01:53:28,070 --> 01:53:24,639
he's wrong and right at the same time

2558
01:53:29,990 --> 01:53:28,080
and we can never tell nothing in our

2559
01:53:33,589 --> 01:53:30,000
system of perceptions

2560
01:53:37,830 --> 01:53:33,599
allows us to tell

2561
01:53:42,070 --> 01:53:37,840
when that is true and when it is not

2562
01:53:45,430 --> 01:53:42,080
we cannot tell and we have to

2563
01:53:45,910 --> 01:53:45,440
and that's why i keep saying we have to

2564
01:53:49,430 --> 01:53:45,920
go

2565
01:53:53,109 --> 01:53:49,440
into this with an open mind

2566
01:53:56,550 --> 01:53:53,119
keeping the question alive until

2567
01:54:00,390 --> 01:53:56,560
the question is defeated

2568
01:54:03,669 --> 01:54:00,400
by circumstances around us

2569
01:54:04,390 --> 01:54:03,679
not when we decide that something is

2570
01:54:07,510 --> 01:54:04,400
true

2571
01:54:11,109 --> 01:54:07,520
but rather when we run out of all other

2572
01:54:14,149 --> 01:54:11,119
options then the last

2573
01:54:17,750 --> 01:54:14,159
thing that's there has to be what's real

2574
01:54:20,550 --> 01:54:17,760
but we we got to go down that road and

2575
01:54:22,070 --> 01:54:20,560
right now we've like in the in the fairy

2576
01:54:24,310 --> 01:54:22,080
folk days they had

2577
01:54:25,350 --> 01:54:24,320
all kinds of different species of fairy

2578
01:54:27,830 --> 01:54:25,360
folk and

2579
01:54:29,270 --> 01:54:27,840
different habits and places they lived

2580
01:54:31,430 --> 01:54:29,280
and all that stuff

2581
01:54:33,189 --> 01:54:31,440
just like we have different types of et

2582
01:54:35,350 --> 01:54:33,199
and different planets they come from and

2583
01:54:37,830 --> 01:54:35,360
all that stuff

2584
01:54:40,310 --> 01:54:37,840
but that's the that's a path mankind's

2585
01:54:43,830 --> 01:54:40,320
been going down for thousands of years

2586
01:54:45,669 --> 01:54:43,840
of jumping to conclusions before we have

2587
01:54:47,990 --> 01:54:45,679
enough data

2588
01:54:49,030 --> 01:54:48,000
we have a chance to get some real data

2589
01:54:51,589 --> 01:54:49,040
here

2590
01:54:52,229 --> 01:54:51,599
the government maybe will become helpful

2591
01:54:55,589 --> 01:54:52,239
and

2592
01:54:57,910 --> 01:54:55,599
data it has

2593
01:54:59,910 --> 01:54:57,920
in its possession i think it would be

2594
01:55:03,109 --> 01:54:59,920
immensely helpful

2595
01:55:06,149 --> 01:55:03,119
if just the materials data

2596
01:55:08,950 --> 01:55:06,159
was exposed so that we could learn

2597
01:55:09,430 --> 01:55:08,960
a lot more about the molecular structure

2598
01:55:13,350 --> 01:55:09,440
of these

2599
01:55:16,629 --> 01:55:13,360
metals because if if we know

2600
01:55:19,510 --> 01:55:16,639
how that was done

2601
01:55:21,910 --> 01:55:19,520
we can or if we know what that what the

2602
01:55:23,510 --> 01:55:21,920
what the properties of that are

2603
01:55:25,990 --> 01:55:23,520
we might be able to figure out how it

2604
01:55:29,830 --> 01:55:26,000
was done and that enables us to

2605
01:55:33,189 --> 01:55:29,840
in to think about how

2606
01:55:37,189 --> 01:55:33,199
these other entities think what do they

2607
01:55:41,510 --> 01:55:37,199
think about how do they build things

2608
01:55:45,350 --> 01:55:41,520
what what does what we can learn so much

2609
01:55:47,750 --> 01:55:45,360
about them from very very little

2610
01:55:48,709 --> 01:55:47,760
this piece of material i have that got i

2611
01:55:51,669 --> 01:55:48,719
got from art

2612
01:55:52,229 --> 01:55:51,679
and from arts parts it's sitting in my

2613
01:55:57,030 --> 01:55:52,239
office

2614
01:56:00,790 --> 01:55:57,040
you look at it under a microscope

2615
01:56:03,830 --> 01:56:00,800
it's it's layers of magnesium

2616
01:56:06,310 --> 01:56:03,840
that's kind of in a foam and and bismuth

2617
01:56:08,550 --> 01:56:06,320
in layers and there's nothing between

2618
01:56:11,589 --> 01:56:08,560
the layers to hold them together

2619
01:56:14,470 --> 01:56:11,599
it's a little miracle in and of itself

2620
01:56:16,229 --> 01:56:14,480
linda sold hers to ttsa and i i and i

2621
01:56:17,910 --> 01:56:16,239
don't know whatever happened to it

2622
01:56:19,910 --> 01:56:17,920
but i've still got mine because i

2623
01:56:21,830 --> 01:56:19,920
haven't got any intention of

2624
01:56:23,350 --> 01:56:21,840
giving any more materials to a lab and

2625
01:56:25,910 --> 01:56:23,360
never gotten it back getting it back

2626
01:56:29,910 --> 01:56:25,920
i've already been there and done that

2627
01:56:33,589 --> 01:56:29,920
but it's real there is it's real

2628
01:56:36,070 --> 01:56:33,599
there is uh a statement

2629
01:56:37,270 --> 01:56:36,080
uh and you know we have arts parts and

2630
01:56:39,750 --> 01:56:37,280
we have

2631
01:56:40,870 --> 01:56:39,760
uh you know fragments and meta materials

2632
01:56:43,990 --> 01:56:40,880
but

2633
01:56:46,070 --> 01:56:44,000
in leslie kane and ralph blumenthal's

2634
01:56:47,589 --> 01:56:46,080
article last year in the new york times

2635
01:56:50,950 --> 01:56:47,599
buried in the article

2636
01:56:52,870 --> 01:56:50,960
dr eric davis is attributed to this

2637
01:56:56,149 --> 01:56:52,880
quote where he says

2638
01:56:58,470 --> 01:56:56,159
that he briefed uh the senate

2639
01:56:59,430 --> 01:56:58,480
and told them that we are in possession

2640
01:57:04,790 --> 01:56:59,440
of

2641
01:57:06,229 --> 01:57:04,800
yeah that's that's a pretty that that

2642
01:57:09,669 --> 01:57:06,239
that's a whole nother step

2643
01:57:11,589 --> 01:57:09,679
from arts parts i've said this privately

2644
01:57:13,669 --> 01:57:11,599
when i was asked what i thought should

2645
01:57:16,950 --> 01:57:13,679
be done with this material

2646
01:57:19,430 --> 01:57:16,960
and i'll say it publicly i think the

2647
01:57:22,629 --> 01:57:19,440
vehicles or at least one of them should

2648
01:57:26,870 --> 01:57:22,639
be put in the smithsonian institution

2649
01:57:30,470 --> 01:57:26,880
and for all to see because

2650
01:57:33,910 --> 01:57:30,480
this will change the story

2651
01:57:38,709 --> 01:57:33,920
fundamentally it will no longer be

2652
01:57:41,910 --> 01:57:38,719
possible for anyone to deny

2653
01:57:42,950 --> 01:57:41,920
the existence of this presence unless

2654
01:57:45,350 --> 01:57:42,960
they are

2655
01:57:46,470 --> 01:57:45,360
choosing to go down some kind of rabbit

2656
01:57:48,550 --> 01:57:46,480
hole

2657
01:57:49,510 --> 01:57:48,560
which they will some of them will i'm

2658
01:57:51,589 --> 01:57:49,520
sure

2659
01:57:53,270 --> 01:57:51,599
but and there's another thing about

2660
01:57:55,030 --> 01:57:53,280
these materials

2661
01:57:57,910 --> 01:57:55,040
that i might as well just say straight

2662
01:57:59,510 --> 01:57:57,920
out if you look at these materials if

2663
01:58:02,390 --> 01:57:59,520
you're close to them you're not

2664
01:58:03,510 --> 01:58:02,400
looking at passive stuff it looks back

2665
01:58:05,990 --> 01:58:03,520
at you

2666
01:58:06,950 --> 01:58:06,000
this is alive in ways that we don't do

2667
01:58:10,550 --> 01:58:06,960
not understand

2668
01:58:13,030 --> 01:58:10,560
believe you me that is that i'm talking

2669
01:58:16,629 --> 01:58:13,040
i'm telling you the truth right now

2670
01:58:20,310 --> 01:58:16,639
and the people need to be able to

2671
01:58:24,070 --> 01:58:20,320
walk up to this material and experience

2672
01:58:27,589 --> 01:58:24,080
this level of reality this other level

2673
01:58:30,629 --> 01:58:27,599
that is intrinsic in these vehicles

2674
01:58:31,270 --> 01:58:30,639
how big is the piece that you have it's

2675
01:58:37,030 --> 01:58:31,280
tiny

2676
01:58:38,310 --> 01:58:37,040
about half the size of your thumbnail i

2677
01:58:41,350 --> 01:58:38,320
would say

2678
01:58:43,109 --> 01:58:41,360
well that's that's that's significant

2679
01:58:44,709 --> 01:58:43,119
oh yeah you don't you don't have to

2680
01:58:45,910 --> 01:58:44,719
we've looked at it under an electron

2681
01:58:49,350 --> 01:58:45,920
microscope but

2682
01:58:52,550 --> 01:58:49,360
it's most interesting under a 600

2683
01:58:55,430 --> 01:58:52,560
uh power magnification microscope

2684
01:58:57,270 --> 01:58:55,440
you can see all of the the the detail

2685
01:58:59,510 --> 01:58:57,280
the layering and the absence of

2686
01:59:00,629 --> 01:58:59,520
of anything between the layers it's

2687
01:59:01,350 --> 01:59:00,639
right there you can see it i've got

2688
01:59:03,589 --> 01:59:01,360
pictures

2689
01:59:05,350 --> 01:59:03,599
right of it right here in this office

2690
01:59:06,470 --> 01:59:05,360
let's take our break right here our

2691
01:59:10,149 --> 01:59:06,480
guest tonight

2692
01:59:12,390 --> 01:59:10,159
whitley strieber a very open

2693
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2694
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what we are doing tonight i am your host

2695
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2696
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2697
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2765
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2766
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2767
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2791
02:03:31,990 --> 02:03:28,159
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2792
02:03:34,229 --> 02:03:32,000
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2799
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am your host jimmy church what a great

2801
02:04:10,310 --> 02:04:09,119
conversation tonight with whitley

2802
02:04:14,069 --> 02:04:10,320
schreiber

2803
02:04:16,390 --> 02:04:14,079
and uh watch

2804
02:04:17,750 --> 02:04:16,400
listen listen to what i'm about to do to

2805
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whitley

2806
02:04:24,550 --> 02:04:21,920
a pen out show me a pen

2807
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pick up a pen and show it to me holding

2808
02:04:28,149 --> 02:04:25,119
a pen

2809
02:04:30,629 --> 02:04:28,159
okay now show me a piece of paper

2810
02:04:31,510 --> 02:04:30,639
you're in your office okay i've got a

2811
02:04:34,229 --> 02:04:31,520
piece of paper

2812
02:04:35,270 --> 02:04:34,239
now i would like for you to write down

2813
02:04:39,030 --> 02:04:35,280
these three

2814
02:04:42,870 --> 02:04:39,040
words rick

2815
02:04:46,550 --> 02:04:42,880
and morty

2816
02:04:50,069 --> 02:04:46,560
your life

2817
02:04:53,030 --> 02:04:50,079
whitley you need to watch rick and morty

2818
02:04:54,470 --> 02:04:53,040
it's a cartoon it's foreign have you

2819
02:04:57,589 --> 02:04:54,480
been watching it

2820
02:04:58,870 --> 02:04:57,599
no okay okay okay you got to start with

2821
02:05:01,030 --> 02:04:58,880
season one

2822
02:05:01,910 --> 02:05:01,040
you'll be able to the new season six is

2823
02:05:04,550 --> 02:05:01,920
just out

2824
02:05:06,069 --> 02:05:04,560
but you'll be able to burn through it uh

2825
02:05:06,870 --> 02:05:06,079
pretty quickly they're 20-minute

2826
02:05:10,629 --> 02:05:06,880
episodes

2827
02:05:11,510 --> 02:05:10,639
or so it's adult okay there's a lot of

2828
02:05:13,350 --> 02:05:11,520
bad language

2829
02:05:14,629 --> 02:05:13,360
a lot of well depends on what your

2830
02:05:17,189 --> 02:05:14,639
definition is

2831
02:05:18,229 --> 02:05:17,199
uh i think it's pretty good language but

2832
02:05:21,669 --> 02:05:18,239
anyway

2833
02:05:24,709 --> 02:05:21,679
it's uh science and physics and

2834
02:05:27,830 --> 02:05:24,719
and rick sanchez the dad

2835
02:05:30,069 --> 02:05:27,840
is the smartest man in the universe and

2836
02:05:31,270 --> 02:05:30,079
so oh yeah i know i know i know rick and

2837
02:05:33,109 --> 02:05:31,280
morty now i have watched

2838
02:05:34,870 --> 02:05:33,119
my kids love rick and morty rick and

2839
02:05:38,069 --> 02:05:34,880
morty is the best

2840
02:05:39,910 --> 02:05:38,079
show ever created for television and

2841
02:05:42,069 --> 02:05:39,920
it's great yeah it's a terrific show

2842
02:05:45,109 --> 02:05:42,079
it's it's it's amazing rick and morty

2843
02:05:47,510 --> 02:05:45,119
so just start with before we go on jimmy

2844
02:05:48,550 --> 02:05:47,520
i want to honor somebody who passed on

2845
02:05:52,390 --> 02:05:48,560
recently

2846
02:05:54,470 --> 02:05:52,400
yesterday who a great rocker

2847
02:05:56,390 --> 02:05:54,480
under sort of underground guy chucky

2848
02:05:57,270 --> 02:05:56,400
weiss you ever heard of oh yeah chucky

2849
02:06:00,390 --> 02:05:57,280
weiss and the

2850
02:06:03,589 --> 02:06:00,400
and i i used to check out chucky

2851
02:06:04,709 --> 02:06:03,599
he passed away yesterday yesterday yeah

2852
02:06:06,629 --> 02:06:04,719
all right he was a victory it was

2853
02:06:09,350 --> 02:06:06,639
yesterday what was the name of his band

2854
02:06:10,629 --> 02:06:09,360
chucky weiss and the goddamn liars i

2855
02:06:13,910 --> 02:06:10,639
believe that i don't know but he

2856
02:06:15,990 --> 02:06:13,920
he was uh he was a

2857
02:06:18,069 --> 02:06:16,000
fixture at some of the rock clubs here

2858
02:06:21,430 --> 02:06:18,079
in la and he was a

2859
02:06:24,629 --> 02:06:21,440
great great rock i saw chuck many many

2860
02:06:25,910 --> 02:06:24,639
many times and i'm very saddened by this

2861
02:06:28,790 --> 02:06:25,920
news

2862
02:06:31,750 --> 02:06:28,800
yeah just uh i just want to honor him

2863
02:06:34,470 --> 02:06:31,760
because he was an artist of exceptional

2864
02:06:35,270 --> 02:06:34,480
brilliance you know what the great thing

2865
02:06:39,910 --> 02:06:35,280
about uh

2866
02:06:43,030 --> 02:06:39,920
chucky and this is the truth the

2867
02:06:45,990 --> 02:06:43,040
the audience was always

2868
02:06:47,430 --> 02:06:46,000
the who's who of the music industry yeah

2869
02:06:49,589 --> 02:06:47,440
because he was like

2870
02:06:51,430 --> 02:06:49,599
he was like a fan he was incredibly

2871
02:06:54,550 --> 02:06:51,440
talented incredible

2872
02:06:55,830 --> 02:06:54,560
incredible wow he he didn't push himself

2873
02:06:59,270 --> 02:06:55,840
he wasn't really interested

2874
02:07:02,709 --> 02:06:59,280
in being huge or anything but he was

2875
02:07:05,669 --> 02:07:02,719
really really interested in the music

2876
02:07:06,870 --> 02:07:05,679
and and his shows all of them which were

2877
02:07:09,270 --> 02:07:06,880
you know at

2878
02:07:10,790 --> 02:07:09,280
bars and and and local places around

2879
02:07:13,669 --> 02:07:10,800
town they were always

2880
02:07:14,069 --> 02:07:13,679
an event i mean that was yeah that's

2881
02:07:16,310 --> 02:07:14,079
right

2882
02:07:17,830 --> 02:07:16,320
that was it man chucky if you could find

2883
02:07:18,550 --> 02:07:17,840
out when he was going to play that was

2884
02:07:20,470 --> 02:07:18,560
the great thing

2885
02:07:22,629 --> 02:07:20,480
that was that was not necessarily easy

2886
02:07:23,669 --> 02:07:22,639
to do man i am totally bummed i didn't

2887
02:07:25,430 --> 02:07:23,679
know that you

2888
02:07:27,030 --> 02:07:25,440
checked out chucky weiss of course you

2889
02:07:29,990 --> 02:07:27,040
watch rick and morty

2890
02:07:31,990 --> 02:07:30,000
absolutely yeah you you misunderstand me

2891
02:07:35,589 --> 02:07:32,000
i'm not all classical music and

2892
02:07:38,229 --> 02:07:35,599
uh and

2893
02:07:40,470 --> 02:07:38,239
reading reading latin poetry in the

2894
02:07:42,709 --> 02:07:40,480
original or anything like that i've got

2895
02:07:44,950 --> 02:07:42,719
i've other i've got go to other places

2896
02:07:45,669 --> 02:07:44,960
too you will never stop amazing me young

2897
02:07:47,510 --> 02:07:45,679
man

2898
02:07:49,430 --> 02:07:47,520
that was that was a good drop right

2899
02:07:52,470 --> 02:07:49,440
there chuckie weiss

2900
02:07:54,149 --> 02:07:52,480
chucky weiss okay um somebody uh

2901
02:07:55,669 --> 02:07:54,159
now this is something that i don't know

2902
02:07:59,589 --> 02:07:55,679
anything about

2903
02:08:02,629 --> 02:07:59,599
um at least with you and uh somebody

2904
02:08:05,510 --> 02:08:02,639
requested earlier tonight they said

2905
02:08:07,350 --> 02:08:05,520
jimmy you have to because whitley

2906
02:08:09,510 --> 02:08:07,360
doesn't talk about this enough

2907
02:08:11,189 --> 02:08:09,520
you have to ask whitley about randolph

2908
02:08:14,470 --> 02:08:11,199
air force base

2909
02:08:18,310 --> 02:08:14,480
now um i'm going right there i have

2910
02:08:22,149 --> 02:08:18,320
no idea what that means

2911
02:08:26,069 --> 02:08:22,159
okay well

2912
02:08:29,750 --> 02:08:26,079
i wish i could say that i'm telling

2913
02:08:32,709 --> 02:08:29,760
i i don't know let me back up

2914
02:08:33,430 --> 02:08:32,719
randolph air force base when i was a

2915
02:08:37,589 --> 02:08:33,440
little boy

2916
02:08:40,390 --> 02:08:37,599
seven years old i was recruited

2917
02:08:43,030 --> 02:08:40,400
for an uh an accelerated learning

2918
02:08:44,950 --> 02:08:43,040
program which i believe

2919
02:08:46,550 --> 02:08:44,960
was carried out at randolph air force

2920
02:08:48,069 --> 02:08:46,560
base i'm not

2921
02:08:49,510 --> 02:08:48,079
certain that that was the location

2922
02:08:51,270 --> 02:08:49,520
because you're a seven-year-old being

2923
02:08:53,669 --> 02:08:51,280
driven around in a car

2924
02:08:56,229 --> 02:08:53,679
you don't know for sure you don't know

2925
02:08:59,990 --> 02:08:56,239
but that's where i think it was

2926
02:09:05,750 --> 02:09:00,000
i when i say i was recruited my parents

2927
02:09:07,830 --> 02:09:05,760
were were were were recruited and i was

2928
02:09:09,189 --> 02:09:07,840
and they agreed to put me in this

2929
02:09:12,550 --> 02:09:09,199
program

2930
02:09:13,510 --> 02:09:12,560
i was not told and i did not see the

2931
02:09:17,109 --> 02:09:13,520
recruitment

2932
02:09:18,149 --> 02:09:17,119
take place my closest friend one of my

2933
02:09:21,350 --> 02:09:18,159
very closest friends

2934
02:09:23,109 --> 02:09:21,360
in the world however was nine and he was

2935
02:09:26,149 --> 02:09:23,119
in the living room

2936
02:09:28,790 --> 02:09:26,159
when he was recruited and

2937
02:09:30,629 --> 02:09:28,800
he remembers the recruitment pitch very

2938
02:09:31,270 --> 02:09:30,639
well it was an air force two air force

2939
02:09:34,550 --> 02:09:31,280
people

2940
02:09:38,229 --> 02:09:34,560
whom his parents knew and who came in

2941
02:09:40,550 --> 02:09:38,239
and uh they talked to

2942
02:09:42,470 --> 02:09:40,560
them about the fact that it was a

2943
02:09:45,430 --> 02:09:42,480
special program and

2944
02:09:46,709 --> 02:09:45,440
accelerated learning for very bright

2945
02:09:50,149 --> 02:09:46,719
children

2946
02:09:52,149 --> 02:09:50,159
and uh it involved the use of something

2947
02:09:55,669 --> 02:09:52,159
called a skinner box which was a

2948
02:09:59,109 --> 02:09:55,679
box that children were put in and then

2949
02:10:03,430 --> 02:09:59,119
uh repetitive uh

2950
02:10:05,510 --> 02:10:03,440
uh material was was fed to them in in a

2951
02:10:06,950 --> 02:10:05,520
in a state where they were completely

2952
02:10:08,629 --> 02:10:06,960
isolated and didn't have any

2953
02:10:11,510 --> 02:10:08,639
distractions basically

2954
02:10:13,030 --> 02:10:11,520
is the way i understand it and for

2955
02:10:15,270 --> 02:10:13,040
whatever reason

2956
02:10:17,430 --> 02:10:15,280
it did not work with me and it terrified

2957
02:10:20,709 --> 02:10:17,440
me beyond words

2958
02:10:21,910 --> 02:10:20,719
and so much so and i re what i remember

2959
02:10:23,910 --> 02:10:21,920
about it

2960
02:10:25,430 --> 02:10:23,920
and what actually happened might be two

2961
02:10:27,830 --> 02:10:25,440
different things

2962
02:10:29,510 --> 02:10:27,840
because i was so scared by being put in

2963
02:10:33,510 --> 02:10:29,520
this thing

2964
02:10:34,790 --> 02:10:33,520
that what happened was in uh i i started

2965
02:10:37,350 --> 02:10:34,800
in august

2966
02:10:38,470 --> 02:10:37,360
and i was going every thursday night and

2967
02:10:41,669 --> 02:10:38,480
in october

2968
02:10:44,950 --> 02:10:41,679
of 1952 my immune system collapsed

2969
02:10:47,430 --> 02:10:44,960
from stress and because it is as as it

2970
02:10:52,149 --> 02:10:47,440
happened i also had a very stressful

2971
02:10:55,830 --> 02:10:52,159
school teacher at the time my um

2972
02:10:56,950 --> 02:10:55,840
um my family life was very quiet my

2973
02:10:58,709 --> 02:10:56,960
parents were pretty

2974
02:11:00,229 --> 02:10:58,719
formal and it was an old-fashioned

2975
02:11:01,910 --> 02:11:00,239
southern family

2976
02:11:03,830 --> 02:11:01,920
where you know there was not a lot of

2977
02:11:05,350 --> 02:11:03,840
yelling and stuff unless i got into

2978
02:11:08,470 --> 02:11:05,360
dutch which which happened fairly

2979
02:11:10,629 --> 02:11:08,480
frequently but in any case

2980
02:11:11,750 --> 02:11:10,639
it was it was not a place where people

2981
02:11:13,510 --> 02:11:11,760
would arbitrarily

2982
02:11:14,870 --> 02:11:13,520
scream at each other and this teacher

2983
02:11:17,350 --> 02:11:14,880
was a screamer

2984
02:11:18,950 --> 02:11:17,360
and that was just driving me nuts and

2985
02:11:21,430 --> 02:11:18,960
then i had to go to this thing on

2986
02:11:24,550 --> 02:11:21,440
thursday nights and be put in this box

2987
02:11:26,870 --> 02:11:24,560
and it was too much for me and i

2988
02:11:27,750 --> 02:11:26,880
my immune system collapsed and i had to

2989
02:11:29,990 --> 02:11:27,760
be taken to

2990
02:11:31,270 --> 02:11:30,000
a military hospital brook general

2991
02:11:35,109 --> 02:11:31,280
hospital and given

2992
02:11:36,629 --> 02:11:35,119
gamma globulin shots and isolated from

2993
02:11:39,510 --> 02:11:36,639
all other children until

2994
02:11:39,990 --> 02:11:39,520
i could uh have it my white blood cell

2995
02:11:42,310 --> 02:11:40,000
count

2996
02:11:43,589 --> 02:11:42,320
went up again i guess and i didn't go

2997
02:11:48,069 --> 02:11:43,599
back to school

2998
02:11:49,910 --> 02:11:48,079
until uh january until after christmas

2999
02:11:51,109 --> 02:11:49,920
so that's what happened at randolph and

3000
02:11:53,830 --> 02:11:51,119
now

3001
02:11:55,350 --> 02:11:53,840
there's an awful lot of stuff on the

3002
02:11:58,470 --> 02:11:55,360
internet about

3003
02:12:01,589 --> 02:11:58,480
very oppressive things being done to

3004
02:12:04,870 --> 02:12:01,599
children in general

3005
02:12:08,069 --> 02:12:04,880
and when the mk ultra files

3006
02:12:10,470 --> 02:12:08,079
were released the judge agreed that

3007
02:12:12,950 --> 02:12:10,480
there were 40 boxes of files

3008
02:12:14,550 --> 02:12:12,960
that should not be released were those

3009
02:12:16,629 --> 02:12:14,560
the ones about the children

3010
02:12:17,669 --> 02:12:16,639
and the experiments on children i don't

3011
02:12:21,510 --> 02:12:17,679
know

3012
02:12:21,990 --> 02:12:21,520
um there was something going on even in

3013
02:12:26,950 --> 02:12:22,000
the

3014
02:12:30,390 --> 02:12:26,960
occurred

3015
02:12:31,910 --> 02:12:30,400
where a group of sort of feral dirt very

3016
02:12:33,750 --> 02:12:31,920
dirty little children were seen

3017
02:12:37,189 --> 02:12:33,760
wandering around in a park

3018
02:12:38,709 --> 02:12:37,199
in tallahassee florida and residents

3019
02:12:40,149 --> 02:12:38,719
called the police because they didn't

3020
02:12:41,669 --> 02:12:40,159
understand where these children came

3021
02:12:43,910 --> 02:12:41,679
from it was a it was in a

3022
02:12:46,550 --> 02:12:43,920
residential area it wasn't like it was a

3023
02:12:48,550 --> 02:12:46,560
sort of semi-public park

3024
02:12:50,229 --> 02:12:48,560
the police came and gathered the

3025
02:12:51,750 --> 02:12:50,239
children up and questioned them and it

3026
02:12:56,310 --> 02:12:51,760
turned out that they were with

3027
02:12:58,629 --> 02:12:56,320
two men in a uh who were in a white van

3028
02:12:59,750 --> 02:12:58,639
and they were sleeping on a mattress in

3029
02:13:01,270 --> 02:12:59,760
the back of the van

3030
02:13:04,069 --> 02:13:01,280
and they were not clean and they were

3031
02:13:05,750 --> 02:13:04,079
they told they were they told the police

3032
02:13:07,910 --> 02:13:05,760
that they were being taken to a school

3033
02:13:11,270 --> 02:13:07,920
in monterey mexico

3034
02:13:13,350 --> 02:13:11,280
for bright children

3035
02:13:15,990 --> 02:13:13,360
and the police did they didn't know

3036
02:13:17,750 --> 02:13:16,000
their last names and the police

3037
02:13:19,030 --> 02:13:17,760
eventually turned this over to the

3038
02:13:22,709 --> 02:13:19,040
treasury department

3039
02:13:24,229 --> 02:13:22,719
which was the which is the

3040
02:13:26,470 --> 02:13:24,239
part of the us government that

3041
02:13:28,149 --> 02:13:26,480
investigates i guess then investigated

3042
02:13:31,189 --> 02:13:28,159
maybe still does

3043
02:13:33,430 --> 02:13:31,199
child trafficking and

3044
02:13:34,950 --> 02:13:33,440
a congressman got involved and demanded

3045
02:13:37,030 --> 02:13:34,960
a wider investigation

3046
02:13:38,629 --> 02:13:37,040
because there was some seem to be some

3047
02:13:40,629 --> 02:13:38,639
connection between

3048
02:13:42,790 --> 02:13:40,639
this group and the central intelligence

3049
02:13:46,149 --> 02:13:42,800
agency

3050
02:13:48,229 --> 02:13:46,159
and then the cia stepped in

3051
02:13:50,550 --> 02:13:48,239
and put a lid on the whole thing saying

3052
02:13:52,310 --> 02:13:50,560
it was a national security issue

3053
02:13:54,149 --> 02:13:52,320
and that there could be no further

3054
02:13:55,270 --> 02:13:54,159
public investigation of it and there it

3055
02:13:58,950 --> 02:13:55,280
ended

3056
02:14:01,350 --> 02:13:58,960
now what the hell was this about

3057
02:14:03,189 --> 02:14:01,360
i remember going to a school in monterey

3058
02:14:07,350 --> 02:14:03,199
mexico

3059
02:14:08,310 --> 02:14:07,360
and years later i went back to monterey

3060
02:14:11,030 --> 02:14:08,320
and drove all

3061
02:14:12,629 --> 02:14:11,040
through the hills trying to find the

3062
02:14:14,390 --> 02:14:12,639
place and i couldn't find it i couldn't

3063
02:14:16,470 --> 02:14:14,400
remember where it was

3064
02:14:17,669 --> 02:14:16,480
but it was somehow connected to the

3065
02:14:20,390 --> 02:14:17,679
whole

3066
02:14:21,990 --> 02:14:20,400
accelerated learning program i don't

3067
02:14:23,990 --> 02:14:22,000
think it was an accelerated learning

3068
02:14:25,990 --> 02:14:24,000
program frankly i think it was a program

3069
02:14:29,270 --> 02:14:26,000
designed to

3070
02:14:32,629 --> 02:14:29,280
crack the cosmic egg and and

3071
02:14:36,069 --> 02:14:32,639
do something to you that uh that

3072
02:14:37,030 --> 02:14:36,079
uh kind of shattered your reality and

3073
02:14:44,069 --> 02:14:37,040
let

3074
02:14:45,430 --> 02:14:44,079
the visitors showed up and a few years

3075
02:14:49,750 --> 02:14:45,440
later

3076
02:14:53,030 --> 02:14:49,760
did uh did this program

3077
02:14:54,390 --> 02:14:53,040
did it involve was it only military

3078
02:14:56,709 --> 02:14:54,400
families

3079
02:14:58,069 --> 02:14:56,719
or well we weren't military you weren't

3080
02:14:59,830 --> 02:14:58,079
military right that's

3081
02:15:01,589 --> 02:14:59,840
that's my question there was a lot of

3082
02:15:04,470 --> 02:15:01,599
military in my family

3083
02:15:06,229 --> 02:15:04,480
but my dad was was not in the military

3084
02:15:08,149 --> 02:15:06,239
at that time

3085
02:15:10,149 --> 02:15:08,159
he had been in the during the war but he

3086
02:15:13,750 --> 02:15:10,159
wasn't in the military then and

3087
02:15:16,229 --> 02:15:13,760
the other boy's father had uh uh

3088
02:15:16,950 --> 02:15:16,239
had had some he was a lawyer and had

3089
02:15:20,069 --> 02:15:16,960
some

3090
02:15:21,669 --> 02:15:20,079
war too but

3091
02:15:22,950 --> 02:15:21,679
he wasn't in the military either so it

3092
02:15:24,790 --> 02:15:22,960
doesn't i don't think it was only

3093
02:15:27,830 --> 02:15:24,800
military families at all

3094
02:15:30,550 --> 02:15:27,840
it's uh it's very rare i mean

3095
02:15:31,669 --> 02:15:30,560
you never really hear about this where

3096
02:15:33,510 --> 02:15:31,679
the military

3097
02:15:35,189 --> 02:15:33,520
certainly inside of the united states on

3098
02:15:38,790 --> 02:15:35,199
the united states soil

3099
02:15:40,790 --> 02:15:38,800
interfacing with civilians

3100
02:15:42,149 --> 02:15:40,800
you know this is why i don't know that

3101
02:15:45,510 --> 02:15:42,159
randolph is

3102
02:15:46,629 --> 02:15:45,520
is is the correct answer that they were

3103
02:15:49,750 --> 02:15:46,639
air force people

3104
02:15:50,149 --> 02:15:49,760
i know that because right my friend saw

3105
02:15:53,669 --> 02:15:50,159
them

3106
02:15:57,990 --> 02:15:53,679
that is

3107
02:15:59,830 --> 02:15:58,000
the case so and i remember randolph

3108
02:16:01,430 --> 02:15:59,840
right well i tell you why i remember

3109
02:16:03,750 --> 02:16:01,440
think it was randolph i

3110
02:16:04,629 --> 02:16:03,760
it's a weird thing happened to me i we

3111
02:16:07,030 --> 02:16:04,639
were going to

3112
02:16:09,109 --> 02:16:07,040
my we've got ann and i when we lived in

3113
02:16:12,069 --> 02:16:09,119
texas in the 90s

3114
02:16:13,830 --> 02:16:12,079
late 90s we're going out to meet some

3115
02:16:15,669 --> 02:16:13,840
friends

3116
02:16:17,350 --> 02:16:15,679
out in the direction of randolph we were

3117
02:16:20,709 --> 02:16:17,360
on uh

3118
02:16:21,990 --> 02:16:20,719
uh the interstate that goes past

3119
02:16:25,350 --> 02:16:22,000
randolph

3120
02:16:29,750 --> 02:16:25,360
i-35 i think it's i-35

3121
02:16:33,270 --> 02:16:29,760
and um all of a sudden

3122
02:16:34,549 --> 02:16:33,280
i found myself not on the highway

3123
02:16:37,750 --> 02:16:34,559
anymore

3124
02:16:41,669 --> 02:16:37,760
i was on another road and i had no

3125
02:16:43,750 --> 02:16:41,679
i i had no idea how i had gotten there

3126
02:16:45,589 --> 02:16:43,760
and i was driving because i just didn't

3127
02:16:48,389 --> 02:16:45,599
know what else to do

3128
02:16:50,070 --> 02:16:48,399
and ended up at the south gate of

3129
02:16:53,509 --> 02:16:50,080
randolph

3130
02:16:57,910 --> 02:16:53,519
and i knew the place i had i knew it

3131
02:17:00,790 --> 02:16:57,920
well it was a very strange experience

3132
02:17:02,629 --> 02:17:00,800
that i didn't know why i knew it i

3133
02:17:05,270 --> 02:17:02,639
couldn't figure it out and i didn't know

3134
02:17:09,110 --> 02:17:05,280
why i had gone there i'd gone there

3135
02:17:12,709 --> 02:17:09,120
i didn't i just went there

3136
02:17:14,870 --> 02:17:12,719
and i i said to annie uh did you notice

3137
02:17:16,549 --> 02:17:14,880
anything unusual she said no

3138
02:17:19,030 --> 02:17:16,559
you just took the exit all of a sudden

3139
02:17:22,230 --> 02:17:19,040
it seemed fine to me

3140
02:17:23,750 --> 02:17:22,240
and i turned around and we went home

3141
02:17:25,669 --> 02:17:23,760
where was your there's some kind of

3142
02:17:27,429 --> 02:17:25,679
connection an unconscious connection

3143
02:17:29,270 --> 02:17:27,439
there right right where was your family

3144
02:17:30,230 --> 02:17:29,280
living at this time were you guys in san

3145
02:17:33,990 --> 02:17:30,240
antonio

3146
02:17:36,709 --> 02:17:34,000
in terrell hills

3147
02:17:38,150 --> 02:17:36,719
and it was about a maybe a 20-minute

3148
02:17:41,110 --> 02:17:38,160
drive from randolph

3149
02:17:41,990 --> 02:17:41,120
to randolph from our house and also it

3150
02:17:45,270 --> 02:17:42,000
was connected

3151
02:17:45,750 --> 02:17:45,280
somehow in my memory with a teacher from

3152
02:17:48,790 --> 02:17:45,760
my

3153
02:17:52,790 --> 02:17:48,800
day camp and

3154
02:17:56,070 --> 02:17:54,790
right after i went to the date one

3155
02:17:59,910 --> 02:17:56,080
afternoon after the day

3156
02:18:01,190 --> 02:17:59,920
camp in in in the summer i was taken

3157
02:18:03,589 --> 02:18:01,200
home they they had a

3158
02:18:04,950 --> 02:18:03,599
station wagon and instead of taking me

3159
02:18:08,150 --> 02:18:04,960
home

3160
02:18:11,190 --> 02:18:08,160
the teacher took me to her house

3161
02:18:11,910 --> 02:18:11,200
and you know i was a very entitled

3162
02:18:14,389 --> 02:18:11,920
little boy

3163
02:18:17,030 --> 02:18:14,399
i was seven years old and lived in a

3164
02:18:20,150 --> 02:18:17,040
world of servants and you know i was

3165
02:18:21,589 --> 02:18:20,160
i i regarded her as not much more than a

3166
02:18:23,589 --> 02:18:21,599
servant and so i was

3167
02:18:25,589 --> 02:18:23,599
you know i expected her to do what i

3168
02:18:30,389 --> 02:18:25,599
ever asked her to do

3169
02:18:33,270 --> 02:18:30,399
and instead

3170
02:18:35,030 --> 02:18:33,280
this man came into the living room came

3171
02:18:38,070 --> 02:18:35,040
in the house

3172
02:18:39,429 --> 02:18:38,080
and i did not like him i immediately had

3173
02:18:42,309 --> 02:18:39,439
a very negative feeling

3174
02:18:44,870 --> 02:18:42,319
and frightened feeling toward him and i

3175
02:18:48,070 --> 02:18:44,880
said to her i wanted to go home now

3176
02:18:52,230 --> 02:18:48,080
and i expected her to take me home

3177
02:18:53,429 --> 02:18:52,240
instead she disappeared into the back of

3178
02:18:56,070 --> 02:18:53,439
the house

3179
02:18:56,950 --> 02:18:56,080
and i tried to go out the front door and

3180
02:19:00,230 --> 02:18:56,960
the man

3181
02:19:02,709 --> 02:19:00,240
blocked my way so i went into the back

3182
02:19:05,830 --> 02:19:02,719
of the house to find her

3183
02:19:07,110 --> 02:19:05,840
and i went and i found her in a bedroom

3184
02:19:08,870 --> 02:19:07,120
lying on her side

3185
02:19:10,389 --> 02:19:08,880
looking very frightened and apparently

3186
02:19:16,150 --> 02:19:10,399
tied up

3187
02:19:17,349 --> 02:19:16,160
okay okay okay and so they terrified me

3188
02:19:20,549 --> 02:19:17,359
they terrified me

3189
02:19:22,629 --> 02:19:20,559
right right and then it ended

3190
02:19:24,070 --> 02:19:22,639
i don't remember the that it goes black

3191
02:19:25,509 --> 02:19:24,080
after that i tried to

3192
02:19:28,309 --> 02:19:25,519
tried to run out of the house and get

3193
02:19:32,070 --> 02:19:28,319
away from the man and it just goes black

3194
02:19:34,309 --> 02:19:32,080
you know what's interesting is randolph

3195
02:19:35,270 --> 02:19:34,319
um and i'm sure you didn't know this at

3196
02:19:38,629 --> 02:19:35,280
your age but

3197
02:19:39,190 --> 02:19:38,639
randolph is a school that's it it's a

3198
02:19:42,389 --> 02:19:39,200
giant

3199
02:19:44,070 --> 02:19:42,399
it's a it's a military training facility

3200
02:19:46,469 --> 02:19:44,080
well there was another thing going on at

3201
02:19:48,230 --> 02:19:46,479
randolph

3202
02:19:49,590 --> 02:19:48,240
not a i know it's a military training

3203
02:19:49,910 --> 02:19:49,600
facility i didn't know anything like

3204
02:19:51,590 --> 02:19:49,920
that

3205
02:19:53,110 --> 02:19:51,600
when i was of course of course not but

3206
02:19:56,950 --> 02:19:53,120
of course not but uh

3207
02:20:00,309 --> 02:19:56,960
the high altitude uh

3208
02:20:02,790 --> 02:20:00,319
uh studies laboratory was there run by a

3209
02:20:05,670 --> 02:20:02,800
man called huberta strughold

3210
02:20:06,230 --> 02:20:05,680
who was a paperclip scientist who was

3211
02:20:10,950 --> 02:20:06,240
one of the

3212
02:20:11,750 --> 02:20:10,960
ones responsible for doing things like

3213
02:20:14,469 --> 02:20:11,760
putting

3214
02:20:15,990 --> 02:20:14,479
jews in high altitude decompression

3215
02:20:18,469 --> 02:20:16,000
chambers and watching

3216
02:20:19,750 --> 02:20:18,479
what happened to them as they died and

3217
02:20:22,389 --> 02:20:19,760
putting them in

3218
02:20:23,510 --> 02:20:22,399
ultra cold freezing water for the same

3219
02:20:26,790 --> 02:20:23,520
purpose

3220
02:20:32,630 --> 02:20:30,150
he was a horrendous man and he was a

3221
02:20:34,630 --> 02:20:32,640
person who experimented in dreadful ways

3222
02:20:37,830 --> 02:20:34,640
on other human beings

3223
02:20:40,469 --> 02:20:37,840
and i i you know so his

3224
02:20:41,990 --> 02:20:40,479
his presence there and the fact that

3225
02:20:44,870 --> 02:20:42,000
this guy

3226
02:20:46,790 --> 02:20:44,880
that was involved with me had a funny

3227
02:20:48,550 --> 02:20:46,800
accent he was spoke english

3228
02:20:50,870 --> 02:20:48,560
and it was his accent was sort of a

3229
02:20:53,030 --> 02:20:50,880
mixture of german and spanish i remember

3230
02:20:56,630 --> 02:20:53,040
that aspect of it very well

3231
02:20:59,110 --> 02:20:56,640
because i it was so strange

3232
02:21:00,469 --> 02:20:59,120
and uh you add all those things up

3233
02:21:01,750 --> 02:21:00,479
together and you're getting nazi

3234
02:21:04,550 --> 02:21:01,760
scientists

3235
02:21:06,230 --> 02:21:04,560
and little children and boxes and

3236
02:21:09,349 --> 02:21:06,240
terrifying them

3237
02:21:11,590 --> 02:21:09,359
something was real wrong jimmy and i

3238
02:21:13,110 --> 02:21:11,600
i'm i'm i i was seven and i don't

3239
02:21:15,110 --> 02:21:13,120
remember it very well

3240
02:21:17,110 --> 02:21:15,120
but i don't i was obviously very

3241
02:21:19,110 --> 02:21:17,120
unhealthy or i wouldn't have gotten sick

3242
02:21:20,550 --> 02:21:19,120
how how long do you think you were

3243
02:21:23,429 --> 02:21:20,560
actually there

3244
02:21:23,830 --> 02:21:23,439
i was there from i was there from august

3245
02:21:26,070 --> 02:21:23,840
until

3246
02:21:27,750 --> 02:21:26,080
october and i got sick in october and

3247
02:21:29,750 --> 02:21:27,760
they took me out of it

3248
02:21:31,510 --> 02:21:29,760
and what about your friend your best

3249
02:21:35,270 --> 02:21:31,520
friend

3250
02:21:35,670 --> 02:21:35,280
he was i think he and my sister were

3251
02:21:37,750 --> 02:21:35,680
both

3252
02:21:39,670 --> 02:21:37,760
profoundly marked by it and not in good

3253
02:21:42,070 --> 02:21:39,680
ways

3254
02:21:44,070 --> 02:21:42,080
neither of them really worked out very

3255
02:21:47,190 --> 02:21:44,080
well as people

3256
02:21:50,550 --> 02:21:47,200
you know what uh what i've

3257
02:21:54,070 --> 02:21:50,560
always because i've heard um

3258
02:21:57,349 --> 02:21:54,080
uh about this stuff a lot

3259
02:22:00,309 --> 02:21:57,359
yeah me too and i'm a military brat i've

3260
02:22:01,110 --> 02:22:00,319
lived on a lot of bases in uh dod

3261
02:22:04,389 --> 02:22:01,120
schools

3262
02:22:06,710 --> 02:22:04,399
and exp and and i have gone back

3263
02:22:08,150 --> 02:22:06,720
and thought about that you know did i

3264
02:22:11,349 --> 02:22:08,160
have anything unusual

3265
02:22:15,270 --> 02:22:11,359
and i didn't i don't remember

3266
02:22:17,990 --> 02:22:15,280
anything strange going on

3267
02:22:18,389 --> 02:22:18,000
um but i've i've thought about this a

3268
02:22:21,030 --> 02:22:18,399
lot

3269
02:22:23,590 --> 02:22:21,040
because you know military families and

3270
02:22:24,070 --> 02:22:23,600
and for the civilians which is the vast

3271
02:22:26,550 --> 02:22:24,080
amount

3272
02:22:29,190 --> 02:22:26,560
of a big part of the population you

3273
02:22:32,870 --> 02:22:29,200
don't really understand or can relate

3274
02:22:35,110 --> 02:22:32,880
to the military family lifestyle

3275
02:22:37,030 --> 02:22:35,120
but when you're a military family you're

3276
02:22:38,870 --> 02:22:37,040
living on the base

3277
02:22:40,790 --> 02:22:38,880
where you're living in military housing

3278
02:22:42,790 --> 02:22:40,800
you're going your kids are going to

3279
02:22:45,030 --> 02:22:42,800
military schools you're shopping at a

3280
02:22:48,070 --> 02:22:45,040
military supermarket

3281
02:22:50,870 --> 02:22:48,080
um you you everything is closed

3282
02:22:51,910 --> 02:22:50,880
right it it's just this own bubble that

3283
02:22:54,389 --> 02:22:51,920
you live in

3284
02:22:55,349 --> 02:22:54,399
and like going off base was like a big

3285
02:22:57,429 --> 02:22:55,359
deal

3286
02:22:59,030 --> 02:22:57,439
right you didn't really have a need to

3287
02:23:01,030 --> 02:22:59,040
go off base

3288
02:23:02,389 --> 02:23:01,040
so if you're going to have a controlled

3289
02:23:04,630 --> 02:23:02,399
environment like that

3290
02:23:05,830 --> 02:23:04,640
absolutely i could see all of this

3291
02:23:08,230 --> 02:23:05,840
happening

3292
02:23:08,870 --> 02:23:08,240
or understand it but i never witnessed

3293
02:23:13,190 --> 02:23:08,880
anything

3294
02:23:16,950 --> 02:23:13,200
uh whitley it i i i just don't

3295
02:23:18,950 --> 02:23:16,960
i i i don't remember it i i don't

3296
02:23:21,270 --> 02:23:18,960
well i don't think it was too common i

3297
02:23:23,429 --> 02:23:21,280
i'm i'm not sure it was

3298
02:23:24,630 --> 02:23:23,439
around and i'm not sure what it was

3299
02:23:27,110 --> 02:23:24,640
either and i i'm

3300
02:23:29,670 --> 02:23:27,120
i'm i i'm not even certain that my

3301
02:23:32,230 --> 02:23:29,680
reaction to it was appropriate

3302
02:23:33,270 --> 02:23:32,240
you know i i have a feeling that they

3303
02:23:36,550 --> 02:23:33,280
they may have

3304
02:23:38,150 --> 02:23:36,560
developed some kind of

3305
02:23:40,070 --> 02:23:38,160
some kind of accelerated learning

3306
02:23:42,630 --> 02:23:40,080
program that they thought would work and

3307
02:23:43,190 --> 02:23:42,640
you know it was the early 50s and you

3308
02:23:45,670 --> 02:23:43,200
know

3309
02:23:46,950 --> 02:23:45,680
they were just uh failed to understand

3310
02:23:50,230 --> 02:23:46,960
they didn't know what they were doing

3311
02:23:55,110 --> 02:23:50,240
essentially uh

3312
02:24:00,469 --> 02:23:59,429
they it was a failure as far as i can

3313
02:24:04,150 --> 02:24:00,479
tell

3314
02:24:07,429 --> 02:24:04,160
but there's just so much stuff

3315
02:24:09,510 --> 02:24:07,439
around people complaining about

3316
02:24:11,349 --> 02:24:09,520
having been molested in various ways as

3317
02:24:14,469 --> 02:24:11,359
children and stuff

3318
02:24:17,750 --> 02:24:14,479
it's really pretty intense stuff

3319
02:24:20,710 --> 02:24:17,760
and you you have to wonder whether

3320
02:24:21,349 --> 02:24:20,720
smoke there's fire something happened to

3321
02:24:23,349 --> 02:24:21,359
people

3322
02:24:25,429 --> 02:24:23,359
and i think something happened to me and

3323
02:24:27,190 --> 02:24:25,439
i i don't want to soft pedal it

3324
02:24:30,630 --> 02:24:27,200
whatever it did damn near killed me at

3325
02:24:33,750 --> 02:24:30,640
the age of seven right right right right

3326
02:24:35,030 --> 02:24:33,760
wow wow that is just incredible yeah i i

3327
02:24:36,790 --> 02:24:35,040
knew well

3328
02:24:38,870 --> 02:24:36,800
mark wants us to talk about making

3329
02:24:40,630 --> 02:24:38,880
contact so let's do that

3330
02:24:41,910 --> 02:24:40,640
let's just we've been talking about

3331
02:24:44,469 --> 02:24:41,920
everything else he's

3332
02:24:46,070 --> 02:24:44,479
listening he's probably going nuts oh

3333
02:24:49,110 --> 02:24:46,080
making contact

3334
02:24:51,830 --> 02:24:49,120
and we do have uh i've got the website

3335
02:24:54,630 --> 02:24:51,840
up it is makingcontact.com

3336
02:24:56,950 --> 02:24:54,640
and of course featuring whitley and

3337
02:25:00,469 --> 02:24:56,960
christopher mellon linda molten howe

3338
02:25:03,670 --> 02:25:00,479
mark sims danny sheehan lou elizondo

3339
02:25:06,710 --> 02:25:03,680
and eric weinstein and of course yours

3340
02:25:09,990 --> 02:25:06,720
truly uh will be there as well

3341
02:25:12,230 --> 02:25:10,000
um having this kind of uh set of

3342
02:25:14,630 --> 02:25:12,240
collective minds together

3343
02:25:15,590 --> 02:25:14,640
uh i do find it extraordinary but but

3344
02:25:19,110 --> 02:25:15,600
mark sims

3345
02:25:20,790 --> 02:25:19,120
is is the person to to assemble

3346
02:25:22,870 --> 02:25:20,800
everybody together yeah he's an

3347
02:25:27,030 --> 02:25:22,880
incredible guy i mean actually is

3348
02:25:30,389 --> 02:25:27,040
really an amazing man um

3349
02:25:33,190 --> 02:25:30,399
and it what does it do tell him about

3350
02:25:34,230 --> 02:25:33,200
he gave you a promo code yeah yeah which

3351
02:25:37,510 --> 02:25:34,240
is a jimmy

3352
02:25:41,510 --> 02:25:37,520
save 100 which means that

3353
02:25:45,190 --> 02:25:41,520
it's 249 and you get it for 149

3354
02:25:47,830 --> 02:25:45,200
if you go in as jimmy church's

3355
02:25:48,309 --> 02:25:47,840
listener i mean how cool is mark sims

3356
02:25:52,230 --> 02:25:48,319
and

3357
02:25:56,070 --> 02:25:52,240
he is incredibly cool i mean way cool

3358
02:25:57,910 --> 02:25:56,080
he has these radios which if you the

3359
02:26:00,710 --> 02:25:57,920
and they're just ordinary radios you can

3360
02:26:03,030 --> 02:26:00,720
buy them they're called bowfing

3361
02:26:05,670 --> 02:26:03,040
two-way radios you can buy them on

3362
02:26:07,349 --> 02:26:05,680
amazon for a couple hundred dollars or

3363
02:26:09,750 --> 02:26:07,359
rather for forty dollars some of them

3364
02:26:14,990 --> 02:26:09,760
they're cheap and any case

3365
02:26:17,510 --> 02:26:15,000
uh the the radios if you tune them to

3366
02:26:19,349 --> 02:26:17,520
144.1 which is an

3367
02:26:21,590 --> 02:26:19,359
empty frequency because it was used in

3368
02:26:23,670 --> 02:26:21,600
the old days for morse code and it's not

3369
02:26:27,030 --> 02:26:23,680
not used anymore

3370
02:26:30,710 --> 02:26:27,040
so there's nothing going on on 144.1

3371
02:26:38,710 --> 02:26:34,630
and you you try to get into contact

3372
02:26:41,190 --> 02:26:38,720
you do it starts to peep back at you

3373
02:26:42,070 --> 02:26:41,200
and mark and jimmy blanchett who will

3374
02:26:45,590 --> 02:26:42,080
also be

3375
02:26:46,150 --> 02:26:45,600
on making at making contact have not

3376
02:26:48,950 --> 02:26:46,160
only

3377
02:26:49,670 --> 02:26:48,960
have they made contact with these radios

3378
02:26:53,670 --> 02:26:49,680
they've actually

3379
02:26:57,750 --> 02:26:53,680
gotten videotaped ufo

3380
02:27:00,469 --> 02:26:57,760
showing up in the context of the radios

3381
02:27:01,990 --> 02:27:00,479
meaning that there's something there's a

3382
02:27:06,070 --> 02:27:02,000
possibility of a

3383
02:27:09,750 --> 02:27:06,080
of a much more directed kind of contact

3384
02:27:11,990 --> 02:27:09,760
than that uh uh is possible

3385
02:27:14,070 --> 02:27:12,000
using this and he's he's experimenting

3386
02:27:16,309 --> 02:27:14,080
with all kinds of cool stuff like that

3387
02:27:17,910 --> 02:27:16,319
guy is really very cool and i i want to

3388
02:27:19,590 --> 02:27:17,920
make sure that we talk about

3389
02:27:20,950 --> 02:27:19,600
his show because he's working very hard

3390
02:27:24,070 --> 02:27:20,960
on it making contact

3391
02:27:24,469 --> 02:27:24,080
well and the the the virtual aspect of

3392
02:27:27,590 --> 02:27:24,479
this

3393
02:27:31,190 --> 02:27:27,600
you you touched upon it earlier um i

3394
02:27:33,910 --> 02:27:31,200
i i sat down with mark and and

3395
02:27:36,150 --> 02:27:33,920
uh the rest of the team there and and

3396
02:27:39,750 --> 02:27:36,160
and took a virtual tour

3397
02:27:43,510 --> 02:27:39,760
and the literally a virtual tour

3398
02:27:46,550 --> 02:27:43,520
and what you can do here

3399
02:27:47,349 --> 02:27:46,560
is is unbelievable now we are going to

3400
02:27:50,230 --> 02:27:47,359
be very cool

3401
02:27:51,510 --> 02:27:50,240
yeah we're going to be in an arena and

3402
02:27:54,550 --> 02:27:51,520
this auditorium

3403
02:27:55,670 --> 02:27:54,560
and you go in you can take a seat in

3404
02:27:59,190 --> 02:27:55,680
front of you

3405
02:28:02,469 --> 02:27:59,200
are large screen tvs um

3406
02:28:04,230 --> 02:28:02,479
where we will be but you can interact

3407
02:28:06,550 --> 02:28:04,240
you can talk in your own voice

3408
02:28:07,590 --> 02:28:06,560
you're not typing or you can do that too

3409
02:28:11,030 --> 02:28:07,600
as well

3410
02:28:12,309 --> 02:28:11,040
but you can walk around uh this island

3411
02:28:15,750 --> 02:28:12,319
which it is

3412
02:28:19,349 --> 02:28:15,760
and and just go and do things it's not

3413
02:28:21,670 --> 02:28:19,359
um it's not limited

3414
02:28:23,510 --> 02:28:21,680
it's completely free form it's

3415
02:28:25,429 --> 02:28:23,520
completely unlimited

3416
02:28:26,550 --> 02:28:25,439
you can set up your own base camp there

3417
02:28:29,750 --> 02:28:26,560
you can

3418
02:28:32,150 --> 02:28:29,760
go

3419
02:28:33,750 --> 02:28:32,160
and and set up a little cubicle your own

3420
02:28:35,830 --> 02:28:33,760
little office area

3421
02:28:38,070 --> 02:28:35,840
have a bunch of friends gather and it's

3422
02:28:41,190 --> 02:28:38,080
like a zoom meeting

3423
02:28:42,389 --> 02:28:41,200
but real interaction and i'm using the

3424
02:28:45,030 --> 02:28:42,399
wrong term there in

3425
02:28:46,870 --> 02:28:45,040
zoom no i'm not it is like that what

3426
02:28:49,110 --> 02:28:46,880
about well it's sort of but it's

3427
02:28:50,150 --> 02:28:49,120
it feels different because it's like

3428
02:28:53,349 --> 02:28:50,160
being in a

3429
02:28:55,590 --> 02:28:53,359
it ha it's a virtual place not a

3430
02:28:56,630 --> 02:28:55,600
not like a screen you you know you walk

3431
02:28:58,710 --> 02:28:56,640
from one

3432
02:29:00,710 --> 02:28:58,720
part of the island to another and you go

3433
02:29:02,630 --> 02:29:00,720
into your room and you sit down and you

3434
02:29:05,349 --> 02:29:02,640
can see the people around you

3435
02:29:07,670 --> 02:29:05,359
you can uh watch what's going on on the

3436
02:29:09,670 --> 02:29:07,680
stage and so forth and so on

3437
02:29:11,030 --> 02:29:09,680
so it's really very you know it's a very

3438
02:29:13,030 --> 02:29:11,040
different kind of

3439
02:29:14,550 --> 02:29:13,040
virtual environment than we're used to

3440
02:29:17,830 --> 02:29:14,560
it's not it's not

3441
02:29:19,990 --> 02:29:17,840
passive like sitting in in a

3442
02:29:22,389 --> 02:29:20,000
ufo conference that's being done on zoom

3443
02:29:24,389 --> 02:29:22,399
and one speaker after another pops up on

3444
02:29:25,110 --> 02:29:24,399
your screen and talks and then goes away

3445
02:29:27,910 --> 02:29:25,120
again

3446
02:29:30,389 --> 02:29:27,920
it's much more like being somewhere the

3447
02:29:32,950 --> 02:29:30,399
island is a somewhere it's not just a

3448
02:29:35,270 --> 02:29:32,960
screen yeah it's uh you know i you know

3449
02:29:35,990 --> 02:29:35,280
i was walking around the island i see a

3450
02:29:39,510 --> 02:29:36,000
basketball

3451
02:29:41,750 --> 02:29:39,520
you can

3452
02:29:42,870 --> 02:29:41,760
i was like what yeah it's very cool you

3453
02:29:45,990 --> 02:29:42,880
know

3454
02:29:47,670 --> 02:29:46,000
there's a boat

3455
02:29:49,349 --> 02:29:47,680
i was like that's pretty cool get on the

3456
02:29:51,110 --> 02:29:49,359
boat i'm on the boat i'm driving the

3457
02:29:55,429 --> 02:29:51,120
boat around the island

3458
02:29:57,910 --> 02:29:55,439
and uh so there's this gamification

3459
02:29:58,469 --> 02:29:57,920
aspect to this that we all understand

3460
02:30:01,429 --> 02:29:58,479
today

3461
02:30:02,550 --> 02:30:01,439
in in playing a video game but building

3462
02:30:04,630 --> 02:30:02,560
your avatar

3463
02:30:07,670 --> 02:30:04,640
and going and experiencing this and if

3464
02:30:10,630 --> 02:30:07,680
you of course you're gonna have a camera

3465
02:30:11,270 --> 02:30:10,640
so uh and a microphone so if you go into

3466
02:30:13,270 --> 02:30:11,280
a room

3467
02:30:14,870 --> 02:30:13,280
you can turn your so you can put

3468
02:30:16,550 --> 02:30:14,880
yourself on

3469
02:30:18,870 --> 02:30:16,560
a video screen in the room with your

3470
02:30:22,710 --> 02:30:18,880
friend and they can do the same thing

3471
02:30:24,790 --> 02:30:22,720
um it's it's it's absolutely free form

3472
02:30:26,150 --> 02:30:24,800
anything that you can think of you can

3473
02:30:29,190 --> 02:30:26,160
actually do

3474
02:30:31,110 --> 02:30:29,200
um it's it's very fun and i will uh i

3475
02:30:31,990 --> 02:30:31,120
will let everybody know where to go and

3476
02:30:33,910 --> 02:30:32,000
get your avatar

3477
02:30:36,070 --> 02:30:33,920
set up and go and explore this island

3478
02:30:37,270 --> 02:30:36,080
and and and become a part of this

3479
02:30:39,270 --> 02:30:37,280
virtual world

3480
02:30:40,950 --> 02:30:39,280
it is absolutely incredible everything

3481
02:30:44,790 --> 02:30:40,960
that they have put together it's

3482
02:30:49,349 --> 02:30:48,710
okay jimmy whitley thank you so much my

3483
02:30:52,790 --> 02:30:49,359
friend

3484
02:30:53,510 --> 02:30:52,800
and uh i can't wait uh for august 18th

3485
02:30:56,469 --> 02:30:53,520
there's that

3486
02:30:57,670 --> 02:30:56,479
but uh we've got conscious life expo

3487
02:30:59,670 --> 02:30:57,680
coming up right after yeah

3488
02:31:01,510 --> 02:30:59,680
we're gonna actually be in person and

3489
02:31:04,150 --> 02:31:01,520
we'll be able to break bread once again

3490
02:31:05,429 --> 02:31:04,160
thank you so much my friend enjoy the

3491
02:31:07,270 --> 02:31:05,439
rest of your night

3492
02:31:09,110 --> 02:31:07,280
you too and thank you so much for having

3493
02:31:11,750 --> 02:31:09,120
me on the show you're the best

3494
02:31:13,270 --> 02:31:11,760
whitley strieber i am your host jimmy

3495
02:31:14,550 --> 02:31:13,280
church i'm going to take a quick break

3496
02:31:17,990 --> 02:31:14,560
right here

3497
02:31:18,710 --> 02:31:18,000
and when i come back i'll just flip on

3498
02:31:21,230 --> 02:31:18,720
the phones

3499
02:31:22,550 --> 02:31:21,240
and we're going to go to open line

3500
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747-228-2051

3501
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thank you so much whitley have a great

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i'm yours jimmy church this is fade to

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you are listening to my boy

3506
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3507
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despite popular opinion reading a book

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all right welcome back

3616
02:36:42,870 --> 02:36:40,950
i want to thank whitley strieber that

3617
02:36:45,910 --> 02:36:42,880
was an incredible conversation

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02:36:49,270 --> 02:36:45,920
um absolutely incredible i don't

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know i want to thank whitley um oh and a

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couple of things

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uh yes makingcontact.com

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head straight over and and check

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everything out

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again it's it's whitley it's christopher

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mellon linda molten howe

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of course mark sims danny sheen lou

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and eric weinstein and myself

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um and this is going to be an incredible

3630
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conference

3631
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and it is again it's in a virtual

3632
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environment now you're going to see

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everybody live

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um on the big screens in uh this

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auditorium

3636
02:37:26,230 --> 02:37:24,240
i don't know how to explain the detail

3637
02:37:29,030 --> 02:37:26,240
the level of detail

3638
02:37:29,670 --> 02:37:29,040
um in this virtual world it's it's

3639
02:37:32,469 --> 02:37:29,680
insane

3640
02:37:33,830 --> 02:37:32,479
it is so cool and so this auditorium

3641
02:37:35,910 --> 02:37:33,840
it's just like what you're thinking

3642
02:37:37,110 --> 02:37:35,920
right there's limited seating all of

3643
02:37:39,910 --> 02:37:37,120
that you go in

3644
02:37:41,030 --> 02:37:39,920
and you sit down and uh you are able to

3645
02:37:43,910 --> 02:37:41,040
do other things

3646
02:37:44,710 --> 02:37:43,920
but um uh but that's what you're gonna

3647
02:37:48,150 --> 02:37:44,720
do

3648
02:37:49,510 --> 02:37:48,160
and there is i they even took there's a

3649
02:37:52,790 --> 02:37:49,520
nightclub

3650
02:37:54,790 --> 02:37:52,800
i uh found that and uh they took me

3651
02:37:58,830 --> 02:37:54,800
through there pretty cool

3652
02:38:01,750 --> 02:37:58,840
it's pretty cool um and it's just this

3653
02:38:05,190 --> 02:38:01,760
ginormous uh virtual environment

3654
02:38:06,070 --> 02:38:05,200
and it is very fun and very cool to

3655
02:38:08,270 --> 02:38:06,080
check out

3656
02:38:09,750 --> 02:38:08,280
so i need you to go over to

3657
02:38:13,590 --> 02:38:09,760
makingcontact.com

3658
02:38:15,510 --> 02:38:13,600
and yes use the promo code jimmysave100

3659
02:38:16,790 --> 02:38:15,520
jimmy save 100 you're gonna get a

3660
02:38:19,429 --> 02:38:16,800
hundred dollars off

3661
02:38:20,510 --> 02:38:19,439
right so it's 249 you're gonna get your

3662
02:38:23,990 --> 02:38:20,520
tickets for

3663
02:38:27,670 --> 02:38:24,000
149 100 off jimmy

3664
02:38:28,070 --> 02:38:27,680
save 100 go over to makingcontact.com

3665
02:38:30,309 --> 02:38:28,080
and then

3666
02:38:31,990 --> 02:38:30,319
right after that coming up this

3667
02:38:34,710 --> 02:38:32,000
september

3668
02:38:36,309 --> 02:38:34,720
uh uh the commercials are now running

3669
02:38:39,349 --> 02:38:36,319
here on fade to black it's

3670
02:38:41,429 --> 02:38:39,359
the conscious life expo and uh

3671
02:38:43,190 --> 02:38:41,439
now this is the conscious life expo

3672
02:38:45,750 --> 02:38:43,200
times 2 in that

3673
02:38:46,309 --> 02:38:45,760
we've got the live event this is in

3674
02:38:49,590 --> 02:38:46,319
person

3675
02:38:51,590 --> 02:38:49,600
here in los angeles at the lax hilton

3676
02:38:52,790 --> 02:38:51,600
where we have the conscious life expo

3677
02:38:55,990 --> 02:38:52,800
every year

3678
02:38:59,270 --> 02:38:56,000
september 17th 18th and 19th and

3679
02:39:03,429 --> 02:38:59,280
uh but it's also at the

3680
02:39:05,750 --> 02:39:03,439
hilton in london okay so there's two

3681
02:39:06,790 --> 02:39:05,760
conscious life expos going on not at the

3682
02:39:09,510 --> 02:39:06,800
same time

3683
02:39:10,070 --> 02:39:09,520
we're gonna run our event here and as

3684
02:39:13,830 --> 02:39:10,080
soon as

3685
02:39:15,349 --> 02:39:13,840
we wrap here hand it over to london

3686
02:39:18,469 --> 02:39:15,359
where it continues

3687
02:39:20,309 --> 02:39:18,479
so uh if if you

3688
02:39:22,309 --> 02:39:20,319
are going to stream the event you're

3689
02:39:25,590 --> 02:39:22,319
going to get man

3690
02:39:28,070 --> 02:39:25,600
16 maybe 20 hours of

3691
02:39:29,190 --> 02:39:28,080
streaming back to back and then we're

3692
02:39:31,990 --> 02:39:29,200
going to turn around

3693
02:39:32,790 --> 02:39:32,000
and and start again live on saturday and

3694
02:39:34,550 --> 02:39:32,800
sunday

3695
02:39:36,070 --> 02:39:34,560
i'm going to be the host i'll be with

3696
02:39:39,270 --> 02:39:36,080
you all weekend

3697
02:39:42,309 --> 02:39:39,280
um uh there is the

3698
02:39:45,190 --> 02:39:42,319
ancient secrets themed

3699
02:39:46,389 --> 02:39:45,200
uh portion of the show that i will be uh

3700
02:39:49,190 --> 02:39:46,399
hosting as well

3701
02:39:50,550 --> 02:39:49,200
and then that's on friday night and on

3702
02:39:53,670 --> 02:39:50,560
saturday night

3703
02:39:54,389 --> 02:39:53,680
i am going to sit down with danny

3704
02:39:57,990 --> 02:39:54,399
sheehan

3705
02:40:01,030 --> 02:39:58,000
in the big la jolla room live on stage

3706
02:40:01,670 --> 02:40:01,040
and the two of us are just going to sit

3707
02:40:04,550 --> 02:40:01,680
and talk

3708
02:40:04,950 --> 02:40:04,560
a live interview with a danny sheehan

3709
02:40:06,309 --> 02:40:04,960
and

3710
02:40:08,870 --> 02:40:06,319
you're not going to want to miss any of

3711
02:40:11,510 --> 02:40:08,880
this this is a live in-person event

3712
02:40:12,070 --> 02:40:11,520
and for those that can't travel or that

3713
02:40:13,429 --> 02:40:12,080
are still

3714
02:40:15,269 --> 02:40:13,439
under some restrictions around the

3715
02:40:18,630 --> 02:40:15,279
country totally understand that

3716
02:40:20,710 --> 02:40:18,640
stream it and you will be streaming uh

3717
02:40:22,469 --> 02:40:20,720
and you'll be able to go into theme

3718
02:40:25,830 --> 02:40:22,479
sections of the stream

3719
02:40:28,870 --> 02:40:25,840
uh too as well and uh i'm i'm

3720
02:40:32,630 --> 02:40:28,880
very excited about this if you go back

3721
02:40:33,590 --> 02:40:32,640
uh to uh the conscious life expo that we

3722
02:40:35,750 --> 02:40:33,600
did

3723
02:40:36,790 --> 02:40:35,760
um last year in the middle of the

3724
02:40:39,750 --> 02:40:36,800
pandemic

3725
02:40:40,630 --> 02:40:39,760
you know how excellent of a presentation

3726
02:40:43,750 --> 02:40:40,640
that was

3727
02:40:45,190 --> 02:40:43,760
in that streaming format and we are

3728
02:40:47,110 --> 02:40:45,200
going to do

3729
02:40:49,190 --> 02:40:47,120
uh the same thing same company

3730
02:40:50,790 --> 02:40:49,200
everything excellent the streaming

3731
02:40:52,630 --> 02:40:50,800
quality

3732
02:40:54,550 --> 02:40:52,640
and the ability to go and do other

3733
02:40:57,670 --> 02:40:54,560
things are all there

3734
02:41:00,309 --> 02:40:57,680
so just visit consciouslifeexpo.com and

3735
02:41:02,469 --> 02:41:00,319
when you go to consciouslifeexpo.com

3736
02:41:03,910 --> 02:41:02,479
you'll see the la event you will see the

3737
02:41:06,070 --> 02:41:03,920
london event

3738
02:41:07,349 --> 02:41:06,080
and you can check out the speakers and

3739
02:41:09,110 --> 02:41:07,359
go through everything

3740
02:41:10,710 --> 02:41:09,120
right there and get all of the

3741
02:41:12,910 --> 02:41:10,720
information and and

3742
02:41:14,230 --> 02:41:12,920
and what you want to do

3743
02:41:16,309 --> 02:41:14,240
consciouslifeexpo.com

3744
02:41:18,070 --> 02:41:16,319
so you get whitley times two whitley and

3745
02:41:21,269 --> 02:41:18,080
jimmy times two this year

3746
02:41:22,150 --> 02:41:21,279
uh making contact and then the conscious

3747
02:41:24,950 --> 02:41:22,160
life expo

3748
02:41:26,870 --> 02:41:24,960
i've got a lot of events um everybody

3749
02:41:30,070 --> 02:41:26,880
that i'm gonna be doing

3750
02:41:33,670 --> 02:41:30,080
uh uh all the way through uh

3751
02:41:34,710 --> 02:41:33,680
2022. um there's a few things that are

3752
02:41:37,510 --> 02:41:34,720
coming up

3753
02:41:39,349 --> 02:41:37,520
uh we have these two events we have the

3754
02:41:43,269 --> 02:41:39,359
ufo megacon

3755
02:41:46,469 --> 02:41:43,279
uh which is uh at the front part of 2022

3756
02:41:50,309 --> 02:41:46,479
conscious life expo and also my

3757
02:41:51,110 --> 02:41:50,319
trip to egypt uh the emerald tablets

3758
02:41:54,630 --> 02:41:51,120
tour with

3759
02:41:57,349 --> 02:41:54,640
billy carson and johnny enoch and

3760
02:41:58,710 --> 02:41:57,359
that that's i can't i cannot i can't

3761
02:42:02,230 --> 02:41:58,720
even believe

3762
02:42:03,510 --> 02:42:02,240
what is going on uh for for the next six

3763
02:42:04,950 --> 02:42:03,520
months

3764
02:42:06,550 --> 02:42:04,960
it's gonna be a great ride with

3765
02:42:08,870 --> 02:42:06,560
everybody okay

3766
02:42:10,630 --> 02:42:08,880
with that i've opened up the phone line

3767
02:42:10,950 --> 02:42:10,640
seven four seven two two eight two zero

3768
02:42:13,990 --> 02:42:10,960
five

3769
02:42:14,389 --> 02:42:14,000
one got enough time to get a few calls

3770
02:42:16,630 --> 02:42:14,399
in

3771
02:42:18,309 --> 02:42:16,640
if you're on hold stay right there i

3772
02:42:22,150 --> 02:42:18,319
want to go back and revisit

3773
02:42:24,790 --> 02:42:22,160
a couple of points um that

3774
02:42:26,150 --> 02:42:24,800
whitley made and i and i'm and i'm with

3775
02:42:31,110 --> 02:42:26,160
him on this

3776
02:42:34,230 --> 02:42:31,120
that we don't know

3777
02:42:36,150 --> 02:42:34,240
how honest the government is being

3778
02:42:38,389 --> 02:42:36,160
with us right now and that includes the

3779
02:42:42,870 --> 02:42:38,399
department of defense

3780
02:42:44,950 --> 02:42:42,880
right we don't know but

3781
02:42:46,070 --> 02:42:44,960
we should be appreciative that it is

3782
02:42:49,269 --> 02:42:46,080
happening in

3783
02:42:49,830 --> 02:42:49,279
in any way and i i'm with whitley on

3784
02:42:52,150 --> 02:42:49,840
that

3785
02:42:53,670 --> 02:42:52,160
i'm absolutely with him it's never been

3786
02:42:56,950 --> 02:42:53,680
like this before

3787
02:42:57,670 --> 02:42:56,960
but uh just like ronald reagan you know

3788
02:43:00,870 --> 02:42:57,680
trust but

3789
02:43:04,630 --> 02:43:00,880
verify right trust and verify

3790
02:43:07,670 --> 02:43:04,640
so uh verify and trust right

3791
02:43:08,230 --> 02:43:07,680
that's where i am with this right now i

3792
02:43:11,910 --> 02:43:08,240
am

3793
02:43:15,269 --> 02:43:11,920
uh shocked and dismayed about

3794
02:43:17,990 --> 02:43:15,279
the sudden drop off of

3795
02:43:19,030 --> 02:43:18,000
the mainstream media covering the ufo

3796
02:43:21,910 --> 02:43:19,040
subject

3797
02:43:23,750 --> 02:43:21,920
after june 25th i i don't know what the

3798
02:43:26,790 --> 02:43:23,760
reasons for this are

3799
02:43:30,309 --> 02:43:26,800
um somebody has flipped a switch

3800
02:43:32,469 --> 02:43:30,319
somewhere i don't know uh

3801
02:43:33,750 --> 02:43:32,479
who has done it and what the reasons for

3802
02:43:36,469 --> 02:43:33,760
that are

3803
02:43:37,990 --> 02:43:36,479
but it certainly seems to me and it

3804
02:43:41,349 --> 02:43:38,000
feels to me

3805
02:43:44,630 --> 02:43:41,359
that somebody has decided to

3806
02:43:47,030 --> 02:43:44,640
uh stop

3807
02:43:47,990 --> 02:43:47,040
and i i i don't know what the reasons

3808
02:43:51,830 --> 02:43:48,000
are

3809
02:43:55,030 --> 02:43:51,840
i i don't right i mean

3810
02:43:58,950 --> 02:43:55,040
tucker cnn fox right

3811
02:44:02,870 --> 02:43:58,960
bbc everything everything is just

3812
02:44:05,670 --> 02:44:02,880
the the brakes have been pushed

3813
02:44:06,710 --> 02:44:05,680
what's the reason for that we've had

3814
02:44:09,830 --> 02:44:06,720
three and a half

3815
02:44:11,910 --> 02:44:09,840
four years of coverage

3816
02:44:13,510 --> 02:44:11,920
everything has stopped the leaks have

3817
02:44:17,349 --> 02:44:13,520
stopped

3818
02:44:21,269 --> 02:44:17,359
right everything it's just like this

3819
02:44:23,830 --> 02:44:21,279
focus has been uh

3820
02:44:25,750 --> 02:44:23,840
turned away from the department of

3821
02:44:28,389 --> 02:44:25,760
defense

3822
02:44:29,590 --> 02:44:28,399
we can't as a community right now allow

3823
02:44:33,269 --> 02:44:29,600
this to happen

3824
02:44:36,790 --> 02:44:33,279
we've got to keep the pressure up

3825
02:44:37,590 --> 02:44:36,800
and remember what cult art said on this

3826
02:44:41,590 --> 02:44:37,600
show

3827
02:44:45,590 --> 02:44:44,230
call your congress people call the

3828
02:44:48,630 --> 02:44:45,600
senators

3829
02:44:51,030 --> 02:44:48,640
call your politicians and and let them

3830
02:44:54,070 --> 02:44:51,040
know this is something that

3831
02:44:57,110 --> 02:44:54,080
we need information on we need

3832
02:45:00,469 --> 02:44:57,120
hearings we need witnesses

3833
02:45:03,750 --> 02:45:00,479
we need answers and

3834
02:45:05,590 --> 02:45:03,760
if we go complacent like if we back off

3835
02:45:09,670 --> 02:45:05,600
and we're okay with this

3836
02:45:13,030 --> 02:45:09,680
they win and and i'm not sure why

3837
02:45:16,150 --> 02:45:13,040
i don't know i i really don't but

3838
02:45:18,070 --> 02:45:16,160
uh something has happened something has

3839
02:45:21,269 --> 02:45:18,080
happened and i know you feel it too

3840
02:45:22,630 --> 02:45:21,279
it's like gone right gone where's the

3841
02:45:26,230 --> 02:45:22,640
new york times now

3842
02:45:27,990 --> 02:45:26,240
you know popular popular mechanics is

3843
02:45:29,349 --> 02:45:28,000
you know does an article once is that

3844
02:45:32,469 --> 02:45:29,359
good enough

3845
02:45:33,910 --> 02:45:32,479
right what has happened with that

3846
02:45:35,510 --> 02:45:33,920
let's go to the phones let's see who's

3847
02:45:37,750 --> 02:45:35,520
up hi you're live on fade to black who's

3848
02:45:39,429 --> 02:45:37,760
calling

3849
02:45:41,110 --> 02:45:39,439
hello jimmy this is corey how are you

3850
02:45:43,110 --> 02:45:41,120
doing i'm doing good corey where are you

3851
02:45:46,150 --> 02:45:43,120
calling from

3852
02:45:48,230 --> 02:45:46,160
see a las vegas

3853
02:45:49,269 --> 02:45:48,240
um number there and that's from when i

3854
02:45:52,630 --> 02:45:49,279
was in the service

3855
02:45:55,910 --> 02:45:52,640
okay you were in the city

3856
02:45:57,190 --> 02:45:55,920
we're at in in in las vegas area 51 i'm

3857
02:45:59,990 --> 02:45:57,200
just kidding

3858
02:46:01,190 --> 02:46:00,000
oh gosh oh i wish uh but i was i served

3859
02:46:03,910 --> 02:46:01,200
at creature air force base

3860
02:46:05,349 --> 02:46:03,920
oh you're a creech okay all right

3861
02:46:07,910 --> 02:46:05,359
there's a lot of action there

3862
02:46:10,309 --> 02:46:07,920
there's some action to create so uh

3863
02:46:12,070 --> 02:46:10,319
what's on your mind tonight corey

3864
02:46:13,590 --> 02:46:12,080
well you know uh jimmy i want to thank

3865
02:46:16,550 --> 02:46:13,600
you for uh asking

3866
02:46:17,590 --> 02:46:16,560
mr streber the randolph question um and

3867
02:46:21,030 --> 02:46:17,600
i want to thank

3868
02:46:24,870 --> 02:46:21,040
was that you yeah that posted that

3869
02:46:26,469 --> 02:46:24,880
that was okay yeah there you go

3870
02:46:27,990 --> 02:46:26,479
and also thanks for you know following

3871
02:46:29,590 --> 02:46:28,000
that feed um

3872
02:46:32,070 --> 02:46:29,600
and i especially want to thank mr

3873
02:46:35,349 --> 02:46:32,080
strieber who i have a tremendous

3874
02:46:37,830 --> 02:46:35,359
amount of respect for uh for going down

3875
02:46:39,030 --> 02:46:37,840
you know that unfortunate rabbit hole in

3876
02:46:41,750 --> 02:46:39,040
addressing it

3877
02:46:42,469 --> 02:46:41,760
and uh that's all that i have well the

3878
02:46:46,309 --> 02:46:42,479
um

3879
02:46:49,670 --> 02:46:46,319
that randolph i didn't know now i

3880
02:46:52,150 --> 02:46:49,680
did know um about

3881
02:46:52,950 --> 02:46:52,160
the military training facilities around

3882
02:46:55,269 --> 02:46:52,960
the world

3883
02:46:57,269 --> 02:46:55,279
i was born at one i was born at great

3884
02:46:59,670 --> 02:46:57,279
lakes naval station which is the

3885
02:47:01,030 --> 02:46:59,680
main training center for the united

3886
02:47:05,510 --> 02:47:01,040
states navy

3887
02:47:08,870 --> 02:47:05,520
i was uh down in panama which has the

3888
02:47:11,830 --> 02:47:08,880
school of the americas um and

3889
02:47:13,030 --> 02:47:11,840
of course randolph which is basically a

3890
02:47:14,790 --> 02:47:13,040
college campus

3891
02:47:16,389 --> 02:47:14,800
right that's that's that's what it is

3892
02:47:19,110 --> 02:47:16,399
it's a college campus

3893
02:47:21,190 --> 02:47:19,120
uh for the air force i think the marines

3894
02:47:22,150 --> 02:47:21,200
did some air core training there too as

3895
02:47:25,429 --> 02:47:22,160
well

3896
02:47:26,550 --> 02:47:25,439
but um so i knew that i knew that about

3897
02:47:30,150 --> 02:47:26,560
randolph

3898
02:47:33,590 --> 02:47:30,160
but i didn't know about whitley's story

3899
02:47:36,150 --> 02:47:33,600
uh with randolph and that that

3900
02:47:37,269 --> 02:47:36,160
that took me by surprise that's a very

3901
02:47:40,630 --> 02:47:37,279
very

3902
02:47:44,389 --> 02:47:40,640
uh interesting i almost want to say case

3903
02:47:46,710 --> 02:47:44,399
uh with whitley but wow

3904
02:47:47,990 --> 02:47:46,720
i have to give uh peter lavinda and his

3905
02:47:51,670 --> 02:47:48,000
uh sinister forces

3906
02:47:56,070 --> 02:47:53,110
you know what i have those you know what

3907
02:47:58,389 --> 02:47:56,080
i've read those uh i have them all

3908
02:48:00,389 --> 02:47:58,399
and i'm gonna have to go back and

3909
02:48:05,030 --> 02:48:00,399
re-read now

3910
02:48:09,190 --> 02:48:05,040
i i did not uh man no i didn't know

3911
02:48:12,150 --> 02:48:09,200
which one uh uh that was book three

3912
02:48:13,030 --> 02:48:12,160
book three okay i have them all i have

3913
02:48:16,309 --> 02:48:13,040
them all

3914
02:48:20,070 --> 02:48:16,319
um so when you

3915
02:48:22,389 --> 02:48:20,080
you were in the air force i was

3916
02:48:24,309 --> 02:48:22,399
okay i joined uh yeah joined the air

3917
02:48:25,269 --> 02:48:24,319
force i was enlisted i was a staff

3918
02:48:27,510 --> 02:48:25,279
sergeant

3919
02:48:29,030 --> 02:48:27,520
and uh didn't do anything you know crazy

3920
02:48:29,990 --> 02:48:29,040
i did have a you know top secret

3921
02:48:32,550 --> 02:48:30,000
clearance but

3922
02:48:33,750 --> 02:48:32,560
uh you know nothing related to ufos or

3923
02:48:36,950 --> 02:48:33,760
exotic tech

3924
02:48:37,830 --> 02:48:36,960
just a regular guy but i did find it uh

3925
02:48:40,070 --> 02:48:37,840
ironic

3926
02:48:41,349 --> 02:48:40,080
that uh i was always obsessed with this

3927
02:48:43,590 --> 02:48:41,359
phenomena

3928
02:48:45,030 --> 02:48:43,600
and then when i did join the air force i

3929
02:48:45,990 --> 02:48:45,040
you know i found my way out there in the

3930
02:48:48,710 --> 02:48:46,000
desert

3931
02:48:49,910 --> 02:48:48,720
um i just thought that was interesting

3932
02:48:52,790 --> 02:48:49,920
anything ever

3933
02:48:55,190 --> 02:48:52,800
did you ever see anything that made you

3934
02:48:59,750 --> 02:48:58,150
well you know i guess i can share this

3935
02:49:02,950 --> 02:48:59,760
uh

3936
02:49:05,670 --> 02:49:02,960
there there was an unacknowledged drone

3937
02:49:07,590 --> 02:49:05,680
that i did see on my way to work one day

3938
02:49:11,429 --> 02:49:07,600
clear over the highway

3939
02:49:13,990 --> 02:49:11,439
um it also was the

3940
02:49:14,710 --> 02:49:14,000
the same drone that another foreign

3941
02:49:17,990 --> 02:49:14,720
country

3942
02:49:20,550 --> 02:49:18,000
that i won't mention happened to claim

3943
02:49:22,070 --> 02:49:20,560
that they captured

3944
02:49:24,830 --> 02:49:22,080
that time when i well you're talking

3945
02:49:27,830 --> 02:49:24,840
about it that was iran

3946
02:49:30,469 --> 02:49:27,840
right correct okay

3947
02:49:31,030 --> 02:49:30,479
and at the time that i saw the drone uh

3948
02:49:34,630 --> 02:49:31,040
it was

3949
02:49:37,190 --> 02:49:34,640
unacknowledged and i went you know i

3950
02:49:37,750 --> 02:49:37,200
i didn't know what it was it looked like

3951
02:49:41,830 --> 02:49:37,760
a mini

3952
02:49:45,110 --> 02:49:41,840
b2 bomber yes yes yes yes yes yes

3953
02:49:47,910 --> 02:49:45,120
um it's really funny when uh uh

3954
02:49:48,710 --> 02:49:47,920
not to spend any time on this but when

3955
02:49:51,750 --> 02:49:48,720
iran

3956
02:49:54,469 --> 02:49:51,760
then showed pictures of their backwards

3957
02:49:57,269 --> 02:49:54,479
engineered version of the drone and

3958
02:49:57,640 --> 02:49:57,279
you could just tell that wasn't the same

3959
02:50:00,309 --> 02:49:57,650
thing

3960
02:50:03,830 --> 02:50:00,319
[Laughter]

3961
02:50:06,870 --> 02:50:03,840
i i doubt that that thing ever flew um

3962
02:50:10,070 --> 02:50:06,880
but okay so uh but

3963
02:50:13,830 --> 02:50:10,080
what about conversations about

3964
02:50:16,309 --> 02:50:13,840
ufos or uaps while in the air force was

3965
02:50:19,830 --> 02:50:16,319
there any training did you

3966
02:50:23,030 --> 02:50:19,840
uh were you told what to do if you saw

3967
02:50:25,269 --> 02:50:23,040
anything was there anything about that

3968
02:50:27,429 --> 02:50:25,279
in your training

3969
02:50:29,269 --> 02:50:27,439
you know i'll be honest that that's

3970
02:50:30,550 --> 02:50:29,279
something that i actually uh look for

3971
02:50:32,950 --> 02:50:30,560
and that you know i thought in the back

3972
02:50:36,309 --> 02:50:32,960
of my mind but absolutely not

3973
02:50:38,230 --> 02:50:36,319
uh um absolutely not it was um

3974
02:50:39,670 --> 02:50:38,240
there was one time in my career where it

3975
02:50:43,190 --> 02:50:39,680
was an f-16 pilot and i

3976
02:50:44,870 --> 02:50:43,200
i uh he flew f-117s and i knew this

3977
02:50:47,110 --> 02:50:44,880
but he flew them when they were out of

3978
02:50:49,510 --> 02:50:47,120
tonopah i believe when it was dark

3979
02:50:50,150 --> 02:50:49,520
okay and i asked him i asked him the

3980
02:50:52,630 --> 02:50:50,160
question

3981
02:50:54,469 --> 02:50:52,640
about um so he would have flown maybe in

3982
02:50:55,429 --> 02:50:54,479
the early 80s or mid 80s i asked him the

3983
02:50:58,230 --> 02:50:55,439
question about

3984
02:51:00,230 --> 02:50:58,240
roswell and i thought it was peculiar

3985
02:51:03,349 --> 02:51:00,240
how quick he was to tell me

3986
02:51:06,950 --> 02:51:03,359
that they already told us what it was

3987
02:51:10,150 --> 02:51:09,510
uh well he was an officer and i was a an

3988
02:51:12,230 --> 02:51:10,160
a1c

3989
02:51:13,590 --> 02:51:12,240
airman so i didn't ask i didn't follow

3990
02:51:16,630 --> 02:51:13,600
up but

3991
02:51:19,030 --> 02:51:16,640
um i it was so quick

3992
02:51:20,070 --> 02:51:19,040
that i hesitated to ask him did you

3993
02:51:25,349 --> 02:51:20,080
believe that

3994
02:51:29,030 --> 02:51:27,429
so that was the only time that you know

3995
02:51:31,830 --> 02:51:29,040
just in my career that was

3996
02:51:33,670 --> 02:51:31,840
probably you know as close as i got and

3997
02:51:37,349 --> 02:51:33,680
then after that i learned that

3998
02:51:42,150 --> 02:51:39,349
corey thank you for the phone call my

3999
02:51:44,309 --> 02:51:42,160
friend and yeah randolph is interesting

4000
02:51:45,750 --> 02:51:44,319
thank you so much thank you for hey

4001
02:51:48,150 --> 02:51:45,760
thank you both big fan

4002
02:51:48,790 --> 02:51:48,160
yeah right on corey i really appreciate

4003
02:51:52,230 --> 02:51:48,800
it

4004
02:51:55,510 --> 02:51:52,240
and uh asking an officer

4005
02:51:56,150 --> 02:51:55,520
uh about roswell and getting that kind

4006
02:51:58,550 --> 02:51:56,160
of answer

4007
02:51:59,349 --> 02:51:58,560
they they they they already told us what

4008
02:52:02,870 --> 02:51:59,359
it was

4009
02:52:05,910 --> 02:52:02,880
what does that even mean yeah

4010
02:52:09,670 --> 02:52:05,920
yeah i i

4011
02:52:13,110 --> 02:52:09,680
i want to well i would love to

4012
02:52:16,790 --> 02:52:13,120
uh go out to area 51 but

4013
02:52:18,389 --> 02:52:16,800
there is so much uh right here in in

4014
02:52:21,110 --> 02:52:18,399
southern california

4015
02:52:23,190 --> 02:52:21,120
that is going on and and i'm talking

4016
02:52:24,550 --> 02:52:23,200
about skunk works and lockheed and

4017
02:52:27,830 --> 02:52:24,560
raytheon

4018
02:52:28,950 --> 02:52:27,840
and edwards air force base and and china

4019
02:52:31,750 --> 02:52:28,960
lake

4020
02:52:33,349 --> 02:52:31,760
that they have to be you know of course

4021
02:52:35,030 --> 02:52:33,359
we have area 51

4022
02:52:36,550 --> 02:52:35,040
but they have to be testing aircraft

4023
02:52:39,990 --> 02:52:36,560
right now stuff that

4024
02:52:42,630 --> 02:52:40,000
is going on and

4025
02:52:43,510 --> 02:52:42,640
that's in development it has to be

4026
02:52:45,670 --> 02:52:43,520
happening

4027
02:52:47,110 --> 02:52:45,680
and they have to build these aircraft

4028
02:52:50,630 --> 02:52:47,120
somewhere

4029
02:52:52,870 --> 02:52:50,640
and i i i would bet

4030
02:52:53,750 --> 02:52:52,880
a dime to a dollar all of that is going

4031
02:52:55,269 --> 02:52:53,760
on

4032
02:52:57,030 --> 02:52:55,279
right here in southern california out

4033
02:53:00,710 --> 02:52:57,040
there in the desert

4034
02:53:03,429 --> 02:53:00,720
just uh uh just a few miles away

4035
02:53:04,630 --> 02:53:03,439
and i don't know how to i was watching

4036
02:53:06,870 --> 02:53:04,640
heal hauser

4037
02:53:08,710 --> 02:53:06,880
i was talking about huel uh if you're on

4038
02:53:09,590 --> 02:53:08,720
hold stay right there i i promise i'll

4039
02:53:12,070 --> 02:53:09,600
get to you

4040
02:53:13,510 --> 02:53:12,080
um i was watching heal hauser and i

4041
02:53:16,870 --> 02:53:13,520
posted some stuff

4042
02:53:20,309 --> 02:53:16,880
and there was uh uh

4043
02:53:23,590 --> 02:53:20,319
an episode of huell trying to

4044
02:53:25,110 --> 02:53:23,600
get to the b-2 bomber he wanted to see

4045
02:53:27,030 --> 02:53:25,120
it and wanted to touch it

4046
02:53:29,349 --> 02:53:27,040
i thought man how is it how how do you

4047
02:53:32,950 --> 02:53:29,359
pull that off well he did

4048
02:53:36,790 --> 02:53:32,960
and you should go and watch how

4049
02:53:39,590 --> 02:53:36,800
hewell got into lockheed

4050
02:53:41,590 --> 02:53:39,600
and ended up going from lockheed to

4051
02:53:45,269 --> 02:53:41,600
where the manufacturing was done

4052
02:53:48,070 --> 02:53:45,279
in palmdale up to edwards air force base

4053
02:53:50,150 --> 02:53:48,080
and they let him on and and he got to

4054
02:53:54,070 --> 02:53:50,160
check out he went into the cockpit

4055
02:53:55,030 --> 02:53:54,080
of a b2 now if heal can do it i can do

4056
02:54:00,550 --> 02:53:55,040
it

4057
02:54:01,910 --> 02:54:00,560
that they are building and working on

4058
02:54:03,510 --> 02:54:01,920
now

4059
02:54:05,349 --> 02:54:03,520
and i'm just wondering would they let

4060
02:54:07,670 --> 02:54:05,359
jimmy church do that

4061
02:54:08,389 --> 02:54:07,680
well i'm gonna i'm gonna see i'm gonna

4062
02:54:10,790 --> 02:54:08,399
see

4063
02:54:14,070 --> 02:54:10,800
just just stay tuned hi you're live on

4064
02:54:19,670 --> 02:54:17,510
hello yeah you're live yes oh what's up

4065
02:54:21,030 --> 02:54:19,680
yeah what's up what's up uh this is john

4066
02:54:22,550 --> 02:54:21,040
in the san diego area

4067
02:54:23,750 --> 02:54:22,560
uh thanks for all you do bro thanks for

4068
02:54:25,349 --> 02:54:23,760
everything uh you've done with the

4069
02:54:26,790 --> 02:54:25,359
subject and the phenomenon and all that

4070
02:54:29,269 --> 02:54:26,800
bring your light to it

4071
02:54:31,429 --> 02:54:29,279
you want to say that first all right

4072
02:54:35,190 --> 02:54:31,439
thank you

4073
02:54:37,670 --> 02:54:35,200
so oh man

4074
02:54:39,030 --> 02:54:37,680
what i gotta say kind of came up today

4075
02:54:41,110 --> 02:54:39,040
actually

4076
02:54:42,550 --> 02:54:41,120
um but just a little bit just a little

4077
02:54:45,110 --> 02:54:42,560
bit of background on me

4078
02:54:46,230 --> 02:54:45,120
uh kind of introduced to the whole

4079
02:54:47,750 --> 02:54:46,240
subject

4080
02:54:49,110 --> 02:54:47,760
you know right around that 2017 mark

4081
02:54:50,630 --> 02:54:49,120
when a lot of people were with the new

4082
02:54:54,710 --> 02:54:50,640
york times

4083
02:54:57,670 --> 02:54:54,720
and um had about four or five sightings

4084
02:54:59,830 --> 02:54:57,680
in the southern california area myself

4085
02:55:03,349 --> 02:54:59,840
including um

4086
02:55:05,349 --> 02:55:03,359
doing a ce5 and an orb-like object

4087
02:55:07,269 --> 02:55:05,359
coming right down to me instead of foot

4088
02:55:08,870 --> 02:55:07,279
to the foot of me

4089
02:55:10,309 --> 02:55:08,880
actually reaching out to this object

4090
02:55:12,550 --> 02:55:10,319
right

4091
02:55:14,630 --> 02:55:12,560
and there was something intelligent

4092
02:55:16,070 --> 02:55:14,640
about it this i don't know if you

4093
02:55:18,870 --> 02:55:16,080
talk to a lot of people with their old

4094
02:55:22,150 --> 02:55:18,880
phenomena i have but you know blue orbit

4095
02:55:24,630 --> 02:55:22,160
yep sweet i mean it's it's something

4096
02:55:26,309 --> 02:55:24,640
it's this thing comes with a foot of me

4097
02:55:27,190 --> 02:55:26,319
i kind of reach out to it it decides it

4098
02:55:29,910 --> 02:55:27,200
doesn't want to be

4099
02:55:31,110 --> 02:55:29,920
touched by me and then it just like a

4100
02:55:33,429 --> 02:55:31,120
bullet like

4101
02:55:34,710 --> 02:55:33,439
snap your fingers gone wow that's pretty

4102
02:55:36,630 --> 02:55:34,720
cool that's pretty cool

4103
02:55:37,830 --> 02:55:36,640
well i've only got about three minutes

4104
02:55:40,309 --> 02:55:37,840
uh john so

4105
02:55:41,590 --> 02:55:40,319
what's on your mind so basically you

4106
02:55:42,309 --> 02:55:41,600
know what all this stuff does with the

4107
02:55:44,790 --> 02:55:42,319
phenomenal

4108
02:55:46,150 --> 02:55:44,800
topics the near-death experience the

4109
02:55:48,150 --> 02:55:46,160
outer body experience

4110
02:55:50,150 --> 02:55:48,160
aliens and all all these other topics

4111
02:55:51,510 --> 02:55:50,160
right so today

4112
02:55:53,030 --> 02:55:51,520
trying to piece all this together kind

4113
02:55:54,790 --> 02:55:53,040
of like what grant cameron says that

4114
02:55:56,790 --> 02:55:54,800
this has something to do with death

4115
02:55:58,230 --> 02:55:56,800
i come across this thing this year today

4116
02:55:59,429 --> 02:55:58,240
have you ever heard about this theory

4117
02:56:02,710 --> 02:55:59,439
about

4118
02:56:05,830 --> 02:56:02,720
the uh

4119
02:56:09,349 --> 02:56:05,840
let me let me sorry it's the

4120
02:56:11,349 --> 02:56:09,359
soul trap thing basically

4121
02:56:13,590 --> 02:56:11,359
people talk about when they die they

4122
02:56:14,550 --> 02:56:13,600
meet these entities that are that seem

4123
02:56:16,309 --> 02:56:14,560
alien

4124
02:56:18,309 --> 02:56:16,319
and they tell them they kind of instruct

4125
02:56:20,710 --> 02:56:18,319
them what to do in this near-death

4126
02:56:23,670 --> 02:56:20,720
experience to get back to the other side

4127
02:56:24,309 --> 02:56:23,680
basically the soul trap series that

4128
02:56:28,309 --> 02:56:24,319
these

4129
02:56:29,990 --> 02:56:28,319
wrong thing to do

4130
02:56:32,550 --> 02:56:30,000
by telling us to go into this light into

4131
02:56:33,030 --> 02:56:32,560
these tunnels that is what reincarnation

4132
02:56:36,870 --> 02:56:33,040
is

4133
02:56:38,469 --> 02:56:36,880
earth onto human body but that's

4134
02:56:39,510 --> 02:56:38,479
actually not what we're supposed to do

4135
02:56:44,309 --> 02:56:39,520
it's

4136
02:56:47,269 --> 02:56:44,319
basically something to that nature

4137
02:56:48,150 --> 02:56:47,279
ever heard something like this ever yeah

4138
02:56:54,630 --> 02:56:48,160
yep yep

4139
02:56:56,950 --> 02:56:54,640
conversations about this um

4140
02:57:00,469 --> 02:56:56,960
i have an overall view about it well see

4141
02:57:02,870 --> 02:57:00,479
this is this is the deal john i haven't

4142
02:57:03,590 --> 02:57:02,880
um you know from my own experience have

4143
02:57:05,429 --> 02:57:03,600
i had an

4144
02:57:07,190 --> 02:57:05,439
out-of-body experience have i had a

4145
02:57:08,070 --> 02:57:07,200
near-death experience that would be

4146
02:57:12,469 --> 02:57:08,080
similar to that

4147
02:57:14,950 --> 02:57:12,479
no my experience with with all of that

4148
02:57:16,389 --> 02:57:14,960
um i didn't have the bright light i

4149
02:57:19,830 --> 02:57:16,399
didn't have the tunnels

4150
02:57:21,910 --> 02:57:19,840
i'm not even sure if i died

4151
02:57:24,790 --> 02:57:21,920
so therefore and i'm talking about when

4152
02:57:27,030 --> 02:57:24,800
i was 20 years old and in the hospital

4153
02:57:29,429 --> 02:57:27,040
um it's the closest thing i have to it

4154
02:57:32,630 --> 02:57:29,439
but linda moulton howe

4155
02:57:34,550 --> 02:57:32,640
um has written about this and

4156
02:57:36,710 --> 02:57:34,560
um others have talked about it certainly

4157
02:57:40,389 --> 02:57:36,720
grant cameron and

4158
02:57:44,309 --> 02:57:40,399
and and many others now is this

4159
02:57:46,630 --> 02:57:44,319
is this a possibility if we

4160
02:57:48,550 --> 02:57:46,640
if we go back to we just have whitley on

4161
02:57:51,590 --> 02:57:48,560
the show and i've only got about uh

4162
02:57:54,950 --> 02:57:51,600
60 seconds left whitley

4163
02:57:56,550 --> 02:57:54,960
um not only in communion but in his

4164
02:57:59,349 --> 02:57:56,560
other books

4165
02:58:01,030 --> 02:57:59,359
where he talks about the visitors and

4166
02:58:05,269 --> 02:58:01,040
and the little blue guys

4167
02:58:08,550 --> 02:58:05,279
that were coming in that that was

4168
02:58:08,870 --> 02:58:08,560
made he's not for sure but may not have

4169
02:58:12,230 --> 02:58:08,880
been

4170
02:58:15,590 --> 02:58:12,240
et that that is the next

4171
02:58:18,870 --> 02:58:15,600
version of us um that

4172
02:58:22,710 --> 02:58:18,880
that is what we may appear to be

4173
02:58:25,590 --> 02:58:22,720
after we die and

4174
02:58:26,389 --> 02:58:25,600
i always found that interesting and

4175
02:58:30,309 --> 02:58:26,399
whitley

4176
02:58:31,349 --> 02:58:30,319
and linda spent a lot of time with me a

4177
02:58:35,269 --> 02:58:31,359
couple of weeks ago

4178
02:58:36,469 --> 02:58:35,279
talking about the the the canisters i

4179
02:58:39,510 --> 02:58:36,479
believe that's the word

4180
02:58:43,030 --> 02:58:39,520
that was used these these these

4181
02:58:46,469 --> 02:58:43,040
you know like a a vase a canister

4182
02:58:49,110 --> 02:58:46,479
where your soul would reside in

4183
02:58:51,429 --> 02:58:49,120
and and which is the opposite of what

4184
02:58:54,389 --> 02:58:51,439
you're talking about right now

4185
02:58:56,790 --> 02:58:54,399
and so is there a misdirection happening

4186
02:58:58,550 --> 02:58:56,800
with all of this i find it fascinating

4187
02:59:00,070 --> 02:58:58,560
i don't think we're ever going to get

4188
02:59:03,590 --> 02:59:00,080
the answers

4189
02:59:05,590 --> 02:59:03,600
um until we do uh crossover

4190
02:59:07,429 --> 02:59:05,600
but i've always been fascinated with it

4191
02:59:08,790 --> 02:59:07,439
john and with that you're the last

4192
02:59:10,550 --> 02:59:08,800
caller of the night i want to thank you

4193
02:59:11,590 --> 02:59:10,560
for the phone call and we will see you

4194
02:59:14,230 --> 02:59:11,600
tomorrow night

4195
02:59:16,150 --> 02:59:14,240
right here with mark sims have a great

4196
02:59:18,070 --> 02:59:16,160
night and thank you for the phone call

4197
02:59:19,190 --> 02:59:18,080
and with that i've got to get out of

4198
02:59:22,630 --> 02:59:19,200
here i've got to run

4199
02:59:23,190 --> 02:59:22,640
credits and and get ready for tomorrow's

4200
02:59:25,990 --> 02:59:23,200
show

4201
02:59:27,190 --> 02:59:26,000
and again i want to remind everybody

4202
02:59:29,830 --> 02:59:27,200
tomorrow night is

4203
02:59:32,710 --> 02:59:29,840
mark sims faded black is produced by

4204
02:59:34,870 --> 02:59:32,720
hilton j paul renee dennis and kevin

4205
02:59:37,590 --> 02:59:34,880
announcers are steve harter gene vettel

4206
02:59:40,830 --> 02:59:37,600
mark d kobar webmaster is drew the geek

4207
02:59:42,230 --> 02:59:40,840
music doug aldridge intro spaceboy

4208
02:59:44,230 --> 02:59:42,240
spaceboymusic.com

4209
02:59:45,269 --> 02:59:44,240
fade to black is produced by kjcr for

4210
02:59:47,750 --> 02:59:45,279
the game changing network and

4211
02:59:49,670 --> 02:59:47,760
syndication is kgra

4212
02:59:51,990 --> 02:59:49,680
the planet this broadcast owned a

4213
02:59:53,510 --> 02:59:52,000
copyrighted 2021 by fade to black in the

4214
02:59:55,429 --> 02:59:53,520
game changer network inc

4215
02:59:57,030 --> 02:59:55,439
it cannot be re-broadcast downloaded

4216
02:59:57,750 --> 02:59:57,040
copied or used anywhere in the known

4217
02:59:59,510 --> 02:59:57,760
universe

4218
03:00:01,030 --> 02:59:59,520
without written permission from fade to

4219
03:00:04,150 --> 03:00:01,040
black or the game changer network i'm

4220
03:00:09,030 --> 03:00:07,590
tomorrow night mark sims right here

4221
03:00:11,110 --> 03:00:09,040
i'm going to be talking about social

4222
03:00:13,030 --> 03:00:11,120
media and ufos

4223
03:00:14,469 --> 03:00:13,040
it's gonna be a great night i want

4224
03:00:18,990 --> 03:00:14,479
everybody to

4225
03:00:21,870 --> 03:00:19,000
uh go and visit

4226
03:00:23,349 --> 03:00:21,880
makingcontact.com and

4227
03:00:23,990 --> 03:00:23,359
consciouslifeexpo.com two big

4228
03:00:26,309 --> 03:00:24,000
conferences

4229
03:00:28,950 --> 03:00:26,319
coming up i'll be at both of them with

4230
03:00:30,710 --> 03:00:28,960
whitley strieber

4231
03:00:33,030 --> 03:00:30,720
until tomorrow night with mark sims i

4232
03:00:43,910 --> 03:00:33,040
want everybody to be safe